jase

23 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Yeah but I bet a lot of you guys have it on Full Auto. That is not how you learn video. You Have to learn Waveform Monitors, Vector Scopes, Auto nothing to say you have Any handle on being great at video.

Hell this is not about EASY, this is about him learning how to operate a Video camera. You think my AF100 is easy, a FS5, F55, Arri Alexa, A BM Ursa, etc. is EASY to get what you want. Hell no it is not. They are Hard as hell to do it. And I mean really hard.

But when you learn how to use all the Tools they have you get what You want not what Panasonic, Sony, BM, Arri wants. You learn in sticky situations how to adjust things to overcome it. You learn by looking at the Waveform Monitor, Vector Scope that something IS wrong, and guess what, you can change it..

You want this new guy to just buy a damn video camera that you put on Auto to make a video because it is Easy. Wow. He won't learn shit.

Sorry, but please point me (/us) to the quotes where the guy said he wants to learn video the way YOU understand video? Again, please quote where we (who?) said we want him to go full auto? And you know that you can use the GH4 in full auto, the same way you can do it with any other Panasonic from the GXXX lines?

IF you read his request again (which I did after being astonished over your "me vs. the world" rant), he didnt say anywhere explicitly that he wants to know / use vector scopes and whichever handy tools exist (which in fact he should, if he wants to achieve his goal, to be clear!). However what he stated is that he liked stabilization - in fact that is why he is asking his question within the GX80 thread. 

I would hope the hell so. This is to help this guy that has come on here for advice, on what camera HE should buy, to learn video.  Not what we like. You can't tell me with a straight face that a G85 is a better camera for video than the GH4. No way in hell it is. There is really nothing lacking in a GH4. It was the best Video camera Panasonic had until 2 weeks ago. I doubt it is crap this week. To have him buy a G85 JUST because it has IBIS, wow that is a great reason versus a GH4.

I would even recommend a Sony A6300 over a Panasonic G85.

I wont start picking here, everybody as he or she likes. However I doubt that you need all those features of the GH4 to "learn video". How do you define to "learn video" anyway? Did I not "learn video" because I did not have a GH4 and used all of its functionality but merely a GM1 and a GX80? Does this make my work less good?

On the one hand you are saying basically that @jonpais is not right with his G85 recommendation because no one needs IBIS to "learn video" - yet on the other hand you practically tell him what he MUST have (vector scope, yadda yadda) to learn the craft. Seems to me like you are putting YOUR vision of how to learn video on him, the very same thing you didnt like in jonpais' statement. In the very same moment you encourage him to buy the GH4, which again is just your opinion - why is it any better than our opinions? Sounds weird to me, no offense.

It always depends on what you need. @vladsaysF just need to think about what kind of work he wants to do and then pick the right camera, end of story.

7 hours ago, vladsaysF said:

So here's the question. Considering that the Sony AX53 is about 1000 USD and that i could get a GX85 frame only for 600, what would be the best lens i could get for it to start off my journey? or should i stick with kit lens and start saving for when i'll know what i'm doing and have more specific needs?

I agree with @fuzzynormal going down the prime route. I did it myself, too (more by accident, because I just lusted the Voigtländer). When I later tried some zooms, they gave me more freedom in choice, but I found out that I either use them at the shortest or at the longest focal length and that it distracted me a lot. So if I were you, I would try to find out which focal length I might be using most of the time and go for that. I started with 25mm and now went down to 17mm (4k crop) which suits me most. Occasionally I would love to have something even wider, but thats not that often.

So, it all depends on what you need. The maybe ideal focal length compromise would be 20mm - the Panasonic 20 1.7 is just about perfect, if not for the slowish AF. If you want more tele, choose one of the 25mm lenses either from Panasonic (Summilux 25 1.4) or the Olympus (25 1.8) - both are fine lenses. If you want to go wider, go for the Olympus 17 1.8 or the Panasonic Summilux 15 1.7.

In your case since size doesnt seem to matter that much, I would clearly advise you choosing the G85 based on mic-in, weather sealing and the flip out screen.

I am really excited about end of 2017 when we might get some successor for the GX80/G85 with some of the features of the GH5 trickling down. GX80 with mic in, weather sealing and 4k60p would be all I might ever need. Until the next camera emerges 

4 hours ago, Mattias Burling said:

I use standard on an old gm1 for all my product videos on Youtube. Looks nice imo. Would probably look just as good for landscapes, etc.

This. The GM1 is really a gem. I would give up my GX80 in a second if they would make a GM1 with IBIS. Heck, I might even scrap 4k.

On 18.4.2017 at 10:56 PM, icarrere said:

Iscorama 36. I took this photo 3 days ago. Camera: Panasonic GX80. .

Tell me more! which taking lens was used? Did you turn off the IBIS?

1 hour ago, Davey said:

I've never been so confuddled in my entire life lol.

Spent eight hours tonight reading this thread and still have 45 pages to go. I have the GX80 plus 14-140ii and have worked out everything except the stabilisation.

I am hoping that by page 90 I will know the correct setting for best stability.

Well, I used the extra E-stabilizer in this video here entirely and I did not notice any disadvantage except the crop:

Well, since you didnt really give us that many insight into which kind of shots you plan, I would suggest going for the perfect allrounder, Sigma 18-35mm 1.8

@7 Lakes: seems you are more into those stylized looks. Your sample above looks very much like the M31 Lut from Osiris / Impulz. The latter example can be easily created with the GX80 as well, imo.

5 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

Hey Jase, not worried about sound so much. Was wondering if firmware update gives IBIS better performance?

Still got 1.0 on my camera. Also wondering about Extele mode. It looks pretty blurry compared to my Lumix G6.

Also the top three options for extele in the menu are greyed out. I can only choose on and off. Is there

a way to get to choose from the greyed out area? I´m in 1080p mode of course.

cheers

 

Afaik the performance of the IBIS doesnt really change on the GX80 in later firmware updates, yet the sound of it running does.

The Ex Tele Converter only knows one option when you are in FHD (2.4x) hence the reason why you only can do it on / off. When taking pictures, you can use different amounts based on your aspect ratio - see page 151 in the manual. It shouldnt be blurry at all, at least that I cant confirm that.

3 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

Have either of you tried Andrew's EOSHD Colour with the GX80/85?

I've been experimenting with it today and its very interesting indeed.

Bought it, turned everything into orange, asked for help, no reply given.

28 minutes ago, Bizz said:

Is there any "real" difference in Film Convert between the default profile and GH4 profile? 

Judge for yourself. Top is GH4, below is generic:

6 hours ago, jonpais said:

This guy Ben Aqua, whose video I just posted in The Advantages of Traveling Light, does great stuff with the G85. I'm seriously thinking of cancelling my GH5 order at the moment.

Especially since the G85 has this awesome Mic-In which would nowadays really mean a lot to me since I discovered only recently how important good audio is. Sure, I have a dedicated field recorder as well, but I only use it for planned recording of foley - for the action that happens during the shot I have to fallback to the (quite crappy) onboard mic of the GX80. On the other hand I really love how stealthy the GX80 is... I like the tilting screen solution much more than this flipout thingy. So a G85 could not replace my GX80 but be a nice addition, the weather sealing also comes in handy when I am on the road, especially if I will ever get the Summilux 12, which is also weather resistant. Yet again, I would love to have the 4k teleconverter option which only the GH5 has. Choices.

2 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Love the colors of your latest video.

And this one was the one where I had to apply the least amount of color correction! Like you said, the Summilux lenses have some special mojo going on. Once the GH5 drops in price or a GX comes out that allows the teleconverter option while filming 4K, i am on board.

39 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Are you shooting in natural, standard, or what?

Standard 0/-5/-5/-5

I had a quick play with the new GH5 profile for Filmconvert, but since the GH5 has a different sensor than the GX80, I wasnt too convinced, judge for yourself: top is gh4 profile, bottom gh5 profile:

7 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

Cool! Did you get the HDMI clamp too? Also, what is the best firmware version for IBIS? Does it really show in usage?

Darn, out of likes for today. Should have saved em all up for that beautiful setup of yours:)

cheers

 

I dont need that HDMI clamp since I dont have any monitor / recorder or whatsoever. I have put the latest Firmware on my body, which made the IBIS pretty much silent, at least I cant hear it in the recordings (which are crappy anyway, but thats a different story). Or do you mean sth else with "show in usage"?

Just now, PannySVHS said:

Did you buy cage and handle in a set? Ebay or where from? I got myself a beautiful Tokina 24 40 2.8. It is like a rig for my GX85, awesome to hold no to.

I bought it from smallrig.com right away - shipping was pretty fast and I did not had to pay any taxes which puzzled me, but I wont complain :)

43 minutes ago, Inazuma said:

Very nice @jase! You're getting some very smooth walking shots with that lens too!

Thanks! Got myself a Smallrig cage as well as a top handle, improved the smoothness a lot.

First project with the Summilux 15, totally in love with this lens. Great skintones OOTB!

9 minutes ago, Cinegain said:

As in your own words 'really shines', I bet. Convincing enough to make him consider going quality MFT lenses. Recent Panaleica/OlyPRO primes are definitely sick! As in cool, not as in 'needing bed rest'.  Atleast the Leica 15mm is affordable... that 12, 25 & 42.5mm... different story. They're baiting you with a tasty little worm and you end up getting reeled in being the one on the menu!

Interesting, I understood it exactly the other way round: As in that it looks way too polished - being a reason to NOT to invest into native glass. sender - receiver issue.

11 hours ago, kidzrevil said:

This has me thinking about going all native glass ?? looks very polished

Mh, as in you think it looks too digital, too clean?

Boy, the Summilux 15 really shines with the Tiffen Ultra... 

Although nowadays GH5 and 5d 4k raw () are getting most of our attention, my partner GX80 doesnt let me down. Nothing special, yet another festival recap. This time however, I started getting used to color masks to remove the orange/green tint. Not perfect yet, plenty of room for improvement. Tell me what you think:

it is quite awesome, that the losless tele converter now also works in 4K (in contrast to the GX80, sadly), so that users get a 1.4x crop which is nearly the same as having two focal lengths with just one lens. This together with the Summilux 12 as praised by @jonpais would make it quite awesome... Must resist.

On 17.3.2017 at 1:47 AM, webrunner5 said:

This review is good also for the A6500. Dan knows his stuff.

http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/12/01/sony-a6500-touch-autofocus-reviewed-it-does-a-better-job-of-focusing-than-i-can-but-thankfully-it-isnt-infallible/

Wow, that looks awesome!