ajay

Sort of a gotchya... 4k 120p fills up a 64GB CF Express card in 4min according to Manny Ortiz. File sizes are enormous for 8k and 4k 120p.

I hate to admit it. I had a lot of doubts about this camera and the Canon cripple hammer but they really have done an excellent job with this camera. I'm still unsure of the dynamic range but the video clips from Peter does look pretty good. Sony needs to answer.

In Gordon's video, I think he says that 4k 120p does not include audio. (He's talking fast and it was very brief.) Can anyone confirm this?

11 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

More info on r5

The new battery can record 1hr 20min of 8K RAW Video

4K up to 30fps is supersampled from 8.2K, that gonna be the sharpest 4K ever!

4k up to 60p is supersampled from 5.1K in DCI and 4.8k in UHD

30min record limit.

 

Thanks for the info. The sampling from 8k might be sharp but it also depends on the low pass filter they use. Canon has a history of a heavy-handed low-pass filter. 30 min record limit sucks.

Everyone is lining up to buy the camera purely based on specs. There are so many intangibles yet to be learned:

• Rolling Shutter
• Dynamic Range
• Highlight Roll-off
• Detail in the shadows (Are the blacks crushed?)
• Flavor of CLOG
• How strong is the low pass filter (Maybe great for skin, but maybe not so good for when you need detail.)?
• ISO limitations before noise becomes a factor (Especially important when shooting at high frame rates like 120p)
• Record length limitations

I really hope this camera is as good as it looks on paper. I want one if the quality of the footage is there! But what happened to the Canon cripple hammer? Is it gone or does it still exist.

Hopefully they'll have a dial on top that includes memory settings. M1, M2, M3 would be nice.

This could very well be a case of irrational exuberance. Take a look at the camera. We know that Panasonic required a vent on the back of their S1H to do 6k. Look at most cinema cameras that do 6k or 8k. Fans are usually a must unless you have an exceptional heat sink and w/o an EVF. Add an EVF to a camera and you have lots of heat. Try doing 8k for any extended length and you'll have a shitload more of heat. Canon's 1DX Mark III is capable of up to 2,600 Mbs but has a body the size of a 1969 Buick and no EVF. How is Canon dissipating heat on this smaller camera with 8k capability?

I see forums littered with phrases like "Canon take my money!" Really? Not only have we not seen the full specs. No one has been able to test the camera.

Something seems fishy to me.

Hopefully Andrew will get answers to many unanswered questions about this camera. Their press release didn't reveal much as far as all the video features other than 8k. The 1DX Mark III appears to be media card hog and will require a lot of expensive memory chips. Will the R5 follow suit? What will the dynamic range be for video? What about higher frame rates? 120fps 4k? at what bit depth? Will it be a cropped 4k at 120fps? Recording length? Clog? Prores? Autofocus at higher 4k frame rates and/or 8k?

Been down this road so many times with Canon and then have the rug pulled out from under me. Looking forward to verifiable specs before getting giddy about this camera.

I don't agree with Tony Northrup on a lot of stuff, but I do believe his take on the EOS R5 is probably pretty close to reality. I'm having a hard time believing the rumors on the R5. The specs could be correct but with a lot of asterisks. In other words, 8k time lapse, short duration 4k at 120fps or severely cropped, etc....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uczXVIWSJyo

No love for the Z Cam? I guess I'm weird.

Just as an FYI, I've been using cfast chips and have had zero failures. Much prefer this over external storage devices. Less chance of failure. BTW, I love my Z Cam E2!

It really is a pain in the ass with Sony cameras and skin tones. I do use Andrew's color profiles and they do help tremendously but it sure would be nice to be able to obtain skin tones that are pleasing to the eye straight out of the camera. Canon and Fuji color science is really good.  The Z Cam E2 is really good as well.

1 hour ago, TrueIndigo said:

 The only other comment I read about the G9's EVF distortion was that it was slight, and the user soon got used to it. Anyone here own a G9 like to comment on this?

I agree. I don't even notice it any more. Not a real issue for me.

Time to dust off my G9. I am really looking forward to giving this new firmware a try. I will miss however the service hack with vers. 1.2 that allows unlimited recording length. Maybe the new firmware will surprise us and include that too. I have never had any issues with running 4k 60p for an hour with the G9. I think it was purposely limited to differentiate it from the GH5.

Best ergonomics on a camera I have every owned. Also the built-in IS is superb.

Canon = Kodak.

Where's 24p, 4k? How about 60p 4k? No IBIS? No C-LOG? (Typical Canon)
 

As you may know, Canon announced that a security flaw has been found with their cameras. Canon Watch states:

The video below shows how Check Point Research exploited the Canon EOS 80D using the cited security flaw. By building on existing knowledge of Magic Lantern, they were able to build a ransomware.

If the security flaw was built on existing knowledge of Magic Lantern, might Canon lock their firmware down preventing Magic Lantern from being loaded on future firmware releases? And...If you don't update your Canon camera, might it be vulnerable to ransomware?

Interesting quandry.

Curious how accurate LiDAR is at long distances. In other words, is this only usable indoors or can it work outdoors over long distances with telephoto lenses?

Enjoy!

I'm sure there's going to be a series of new Sony cameras coming out in the next 6 months that will feature better video specs. There are certainly other alternatives right now that are better than Sony regarding video specs, but if you want to take full advantage of a particular system you have to buy into native glass and not adaptive glass. And that takes a major investment and makes it more difficult to switch brands/systems based on which way the wind blows.

I'm currently invested in both M43 and Sony E mount lenses for wildlife photography/videography. I'd like to switch completely to Sony but they haven't produced a camera yet that gives me at least 60p 4k. On the other hand the BMPCC 4k and Z-Cam E2 are excellent M43 cameras but for me, the form-factor sucks for what I do. I hate to keep waiting, but that's what I'll do and hope Sony eventually gets there.

I think today's announcement did hint at something. Sony's new microphone mount. I'm sure they didn't come out with these new products just for the A7RIV. There's got to be a more video-centric camera in the making.

4 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

It's not about 8K

It's about all the other stuff...

2015 video specs, crap codec, crap colour, confusing menus, no 4K/60, 30p max, no 240fps, 120fps max in 1080p, no in-between resolution for 120fps despite faster sensor technology, I mean why would you want to upgrade to something which is basically the same as a 2 year old A7R III for hybrid stills/video, now that much better options exist?

For 61 megapixels alone?

I agree with you about the other stuff, but it seemed to me everyone here was giddy about 8k also (as the title of this thread implies). Sony has left video "stuff" out of other cameras too, including the A9. No Slog? That certainly was a marketing decision and I assume that Sony is saving higher video specs for their other upcoming cameras and has kept it out of their high-res mark IV. I mean how many video shooters are asking for a 60+MP that has decent video? I think everyone needs to stay patient.

For anyone to think this would be an 8k camera was fooling themselves. It's not that easy to do, especially in DSLR-style bodies. Even Panasonic has announced no 8k for 2020. Look at the size of Panasonic's S1H and the use of a heat exhaust system. And that's just 6k!

This still plays into my theory that the body is too small to allow higher video frame rates. They will have to come out with a completely different camera (larger with possibly a fan) to have any kind of serious specs for 60p 4k and beyond. They might be able to do it with an APS-C sensor but not FF in that small of a body.

Initial specs do not interest me. For what I do, I need 60p 4k at a minimum. I will pass on this one.

3 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Apparently they tested the Z Cam E2 against the Panasonic GH5S and chose the Z Cam E2 

 

 

It could have also been that the Z Cam E2 has the ability to network multiple cameras. (I'm not trying to downplay the video quality, but it is more versatile for these types of uses.)