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    Lumix GM1 vs G6 vs Sony A6000.

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     Yes and no.  The only real difference between the BMPCC and the GM1 is that the BMPCC has peltier cooling around the sensor, and the circuitry, allowing it to dump up to 30 frames a second of RAW sensor data, either as DNGs, or compressed into ProRes.  That means you can make it look more "film like" if you want, because you're dealing with 12-bit depth frames, but you can also do what the GM1 does in camera before writing to the card, make it 8 bit with about 6-8 stops of DR.

     

    Keep in mind, the BMPCC has as hard a workflow, and focus gotchas, as the GM1 has as easy a workflow and good autofocus.

     

    Others can chime in here, but I have a radical idea for you.  Shoot your A-cam the GM1 and make the BMPCC the backup.  I say this because I worry, if you don't have a lot of experience, that you may not be able to grade the BMPCC to something you like.  It's true that it gives you a lot more flexibility in post, but can also be unforgiving if you don't expose it correctly.  What I LOVE about the Pannys is they give me good video in idiot mode.  Not true with the BMPCC.  

     

    On the lights, you should know that all lights have CRI rating, that is, how even they illuminate each color.  I don't have much experience with LEDs, but I believe you would get better food color from quartz-halogon than LED.  LEDs are better these days, but I'd be wary.   These are things working DPs can work around.  Seems you're dealing with a lot of unknowns.  

     

    Maybe use the BMPCC for the food shots where the color depth may help (and you can take your time) and use the GM1 for the people scenes and long-shots where people are impatient.

     

    Thanks for the tips, i will keep these in mind. I will shoot this with my friend who is a pro DOP, and has years of experience behind camera and he definitely knows how to grade. He will shoot with the pocket camera and i will be the b camera guy (im a complete noob). I wonder what might be the best settings to get the most flat picture out of GM1, and if it's better to expose to the right. Im afraid i don't have enough time to test the camera before shoot. I also found out that my brother might not recieve the GM1 he ordered before my shoot. Then i would have to buy myself the G6, but it's not as appealing as GM1 or GX7 from photographers view.

     

    Edit: I think im in trouble. There are no spare batteries on sale for the GM1 locally. Surely one battery won't do? Also no chance to get a G6 before the shoot, because they're sold out.

    Lumix GM1 vs G6 vs Sony A6000.

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    Thanks for the input, i appreciate it! I remembered that my brother wanted to get a light compact camera for travelling and i was a bit selfish and recommended him a GM1 set with 12-32mm plus grip and lumix 20mm f1.7 II for 775€ (local black friday inspired 24h sale). Didn't recommend LX100 because he also wanted the possibilty to use a zoom lens with longer reach. Anyway he said that he will loan the camera for me to use this weekend. I can see that the bmpcc looks more film like, but the GM1 looks also quite nice, although more video look. Probably not an easy match, but will try. I'll surely get GM1 too if i end up loving it, or go with G6/GX7. We will definitely rent two or three led lights for this shoot, specifically for buffet closeups and such.

    Lumix GM1 vs G6 vs Sony A6000.

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    in day time outside in bright light the gx7 and g6 are very similar iq wise

    at night in low light the gx7 is maybe 10% better - cleaner than the g6 - less noise in the blacks

    For this job i will be using tripod and a slider, restaurant is also quite badly lit. If only 10%, then i will get G6. GM1 does have focus peaking, which makes the choice harder. Can't go wrong with a G6, but it's probably not a very good as a pocketable picture shooter.

    Lumix GM1 vs G6 vs Sony A6000.

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    g6 is a superb camera and will do the job for you very very well ,

     

    but - gx7 is the best panasonic 1080p camera they have made to date - it has the same sensor as the gh4

     

    its is very very clean , produces a superb image .so if you can get one its a better camera longterm

    I've read here and there that the GM1 outputs similar quality to GX7 (noise, colours...I. But i don't have any idea does the opinion still stands. G6 is probably the most sensible choice (evf, tilting screen, ergonomics, 60p) but if the iq really is better on the GM1, i would choose the latter. Plus im sort of intrigued by the miniscule size. Dunno. GX7 is over my budget unfortunately.

    Lumix GM1 vs G6 vs Sony A6000.

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    We will be shooting a restaurant promotional vid next week and need a b cam to bmpcc. Due to limited budget, I've narrowed down the possible cameras down to Lumix G6 (499€ with kit lens), Lumix GM1 (599€ with kit lens) and Sony A6000 (about 600€ for body only). I have lumix 14mm plus wide angle converter (11mm), zuiko 45mm F1.8 and plenty of FD, OM, C-Mount and Lomo lenses plus standard mft adapters and a FD to m43 focal reducer. Im leaning towards Lumix GM1, because i'd love to use it as a tiny walkaround camera. Will try to get my hands on Sony A7 in the future for legacy glass, A7 and GM1 would complement each other. There is also the possibility to rent bm4kcc and a Canon 5D Mark III for this job, but it seems wiser to buy a new camera because i don't have a photo camera of my own any more (sold Oly E-P5 due to poor video).

     

    I have a few questions regarding these cameras:

     

    Is the screen on GM1 good enough for manual focusing?

     

    Is the video quality and low light performance really better on the  GM1 (similar to GX7)?

     

    Out of those three, which would you preffer? Im putting the A6000 last because there might not be enough time to get proper adapters for this time. But willing to give it a chance, if it's better than a G6 or GM1. 

    Ready to Invest in Some Primes

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    I'm selling my full set of Yashica ML Prime lenses with metal lenses hoods and flight case.
     
    24mm f2.8
    28mm f2.8
    35mm f2.8
    50mm f2.0
    50mm f1.7
    42-70mm zoom f 3.5-4.5
    135mm  f2.8
     
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231233759495?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649


    First, thank you for all this information you have given on this board, this has helped me a lot. I bought Canon Fd 24-35 L and FD 35-100 based on your recommendation.
    But would you mind me asking, how come you end up selling that nice Yashica set? I thought you loved these. I just got 50mm f2, and it is incredibly sharp with popping colours.

    Kinor 16 for the BMPCC?

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    Any info on this? I recently acquired 6 lenses and a kinor 16mm camera and i am really thrilled by the possibility of using them with the Blackmagic S16 camera.

     

    I should try this adapter on my OM-D E-M5, but its kinda expensive for just experiment purpose at the moment.

     

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kinor-16-SX-OKC-OKS-lens-to-MFT-micro-4-3-BMC-Blackmagic-GH2-GH3-AF100-adapter-/261123376752?lgeo=1&clk_rvr_id=471312952724&vectorid=229508

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