stefanocps

you think so? 🙂

5 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

how much cost the adapter?

 

  in amazon 278 euro! will not come out cheaper 🙂

7 minutes ago, ade towell said:

Not true the Canon lenses i have used with Sigma adapter worked exactly the same as they did on Canon R6 with adapter and the AF works the same as the native Panasonis lenses I have on the S5ii

how much cost the adapter?

2 minutes ago, ade towell said:

You could buy a used Sigma adapter and used Canon EF lenses like 24-105mm for a lot less money than the Panny 24-105, or super zooms like Tamron 28-300mm if you wanted much bigger range but not too heavy.

I've got to say I don't think the S5ii is too big and feels about the right size with a decent zoom lens when handheld. I can get very steady footage. A lighter camera with a long lens on the front will feel imbalanced and footage will suffer accordingly 

i read that the canon ef will not suppot afc is it true?

42 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

Completely disagree. But based on my definitions of size/weight/bulk etc.

To put it into perspective, my main camera this year has been an S1H + battery grip + Leica 24-90mm f2.8-4. This rig weighs just over 2.8kg…which is one of the reasons I am reluctantly trading it for something lighter for 2024.

My dream rig is the Canon R3 + 24-105mm f2.8 weighing in at 2.35kg, so still a bit of a beast, but around 1/2kg lighter, faster constant aperture, bigger zoom range at the more important (to me) long end, integrated grip, non-extending lens…but costs 8k+, so unfortunately I cannot justify it.

Then there is the Fuji X-S20 with Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 offering the same equivalent focal length as my dream rig above, but costing 1/4 of the price and weighing in at under 1kg.

I would call it ridiculously compact, lightweight and capable and with maybe 90%+ of the real world capability of either of the ‘pro’ combos above.

I shot the XT3 professionally for 2 years and it was and still is a fantastic camera. The ONLY thing it lacked for me was IBIS. 

The X-S20 is arguably a more capable camera than the XT3, has IBIS and is even smaller.

No-brainer to me.

The S5ii is not much bigger or that much more capable, though it is in both senses, but the issue for me is then lenses because the equivalent is the f4 24-105 and so yes, the combo is bigger, heavier and out of budget, so I could not recommend it in this instance.

Why you never consider fx30?

36 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

Completely disagree. But based on my definitions of size/weight/bulk etc.

To put it into perspective, my main camera this year has been an S1H + battery grip + Leica 24-90mm f2.8-4. This rig weighs just over 2.8kg…which is one of the reasons I am reluctantly trading it for something lighter for 2024.

My dream rig is the Canon R3 + 24-105mm f2.8 weighing in at 2.35kg, so still a bit of a beast, but around 1/2kg lighter, faster constant aperture, bigger zoom range at the more important (to me) long end, integrated grip, non-extending lens…but costs 8k+, so unfortunately I cannot justify it.

Then there is the Fuji X-S20 with Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 offering the same equivalent focal length as my dream rig above, but costing 1/4 of the price and weighing in at under 1kg.

I would call it ridiculously compact, lightweight and capable and with maybe 90%+ of the real world capability of either of the ‘pro’ combos above.

I shot the XT3 professionally for 2 years and it was and still is a fantastic camera. The ONLY thing it lacked for me was IBIS. 

The X-S20 is arguably a more capable camera than the XT3, has IBIS and is even smaller.

No-brainer to me.

The S5ii is not much bigger or that much more capable, though it is in both senses, but the issue for me is then lenses because the equivalent is the f4 24-105 and so yes, the combo is bigger, heavier and out of budget, so I could not recommend it in this instance.

Can you immagine now he accept even 1300!!i might say i get it and then in case resell it...but i don t feel like reset something that has a doubtfull provenience..

That said all this, about bulky are just my idea, as i never see one, but i think it is not far from real

 And i terribly agree with kye speech about how people reactnin front of a big or small camera. Yes the real problem with s5 is 24 105...big heavy and expensive. But 1300 for combo camera and lens...i need to erase my mind from it😄

23 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

It is out because expensive and bulky don t you agree?

I know s5iix plus 50 1.8  for 1500 euro seems so stupid to do no get it, but also seems a little stupid to get somthing because it is a baragain and then having to over the possibility to use it...it s a big dilemma this s5..really

2 hours ago, MrSMW said:

The Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 is a better lens than the Sony 18-105mm f4.

IMO.

The former can be had for either Fuji X Mount or Sony but the latter Sony only. Obviously.

That Sony lens will be OK outdoors in good light, but otherwise…

Depends on your needs but if Panny is out of the running and that budget is fixed…

It is out because expensive and bulky don t you agree?

12 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

I had a play on Camera Size: https://camerasize.com/compact/#887.1042,908.1081,895.955,901.879,907.901,ha,t

From left to right, we have:

OM-1 + 12-40 (24-80) f2.8 as a M4/3 contender. It is both larger and heavier than the...

Fuji X-S20 which is one of the 2 APSC players here, but with the pretty tiny Sigma 18-50 (27-75) f2.8...but please note, the next camera along, the FX30 has the Tamron 17-70 (26-105) f2.8 I was recommending...and did not attach it here to the X-S20, because it was not an option.

Next up is the FX30 which is no smaller really than the full-frame S5ii and arguably not as a capable.

The S5ii I stuck the 24-70 f2.8 on it because the smaller and lighter Sigma 28-70 f2.8 (my pick) was not an option (though is in the real world).

And just for reference, I stuck on the end a 'pro' camera, the Nikon Z8 with 24-70 f2.8

IMO, for your money and needs, I'd struggle to see past the Fuji with the Tamron lens which is not only the most compact of these set ups, but offers the greatest focal range and I believe ticks all your boxes. Without having to make any compromises.

I would quite happily shoot Fuji X professionally for all my video and stills needs and did for many years.

nice that site with comparation..but it doesn't tell it all

S5 is bigger than fx30..1/2 cm per each of the dimension. Plus it is quite more heavy. And it is heavier the lens..having at the end an expensiv epackage

I know what i woul dget for lens: 18 105 sony with fx30, and xs20 with your suggestion tamron 17 70

Pansonic is more difficult with lenses: best would be panasonic 24 105 which is really big, heavy and expensive..not an option for me

Sigma 28 70 which is also heavy, big and expensive..plus it needs extra money for adapter...

So high budget, bigger and heavier package and half of the time using in apsc. The thing that i really would love from the panasonic is the stabilization which seems way better than all the others contenders; the other main feature are not always availbale , the full frame is not, the AF is good but yet non that good as sony

If it weren't for this bargain (probably a stolen camera)i would not think at panasonic. I had GH3, my first "important" machine and the experience with sony allround was not so nice...lot's of trouble with dials,software,support..and i never really liked the digital look of it. Of course time has changed and now everyhting must be different

With xs20 i am sure i'll get all i need, may be not excting so much as i will have somehting similar to xt3 i have owned, with newer feature but same iq i suppose(sensor is the same), and most of all i 'll save more money

Sony is more exciting..i never had a sony (ok i have a zv1) and i was always tempted from it but i am going to pay enough more and i still don't understand how worthy it will be

i had to postpone because i got sick and meanwhile  i realize that i don't want to buy that s5iix only because it is a bargain. Lenses are expensive and big, also the body is big..so to have a bulky set i 'll finish spend more than my budget anyway. Then there is the crop at 50/60. Also one of the best feature, usb recording, i amnot going to use because it will need a rig! I want a light and quick setup, an that is not. Eventually is a deal i should have done with a very suspicious person... So xs20 or fx30 remains as choices

tomorrow i'll go to meet this person for a panasonic s5iix with 50 1.8 for 1500 euro. What should check to make sure is working..there are so many things in these camera?

10 minutes ago, ac6000cw said:

Have you thought about the (APS-C) Canon R7?

In the UK the R7 bundled with the RF-S 18-150mm f3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens is £1799 at the moment, so you might be able to get it within your budget in Italy.

Has decent IBIS, good AF and dual card slots, and some contributors on here like it. Does 4k60 and high quality oversampled 4k up to 30p (the rolling shutter is high at 30ms in oversampled mode, but much better at 15ms in the subsampled 4k modes).

i never see at canon..i don't know they seem to be at the bottom of choice regarding price/quality. For what i read they offer always lees than the other. Is it not?

13 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

Sounds too good to be true. That would otherwise be ridiculous value...but it doesn't ring true just based on price.

IBIS has more axis of stabilisation than lens OIS, but yes, you don't need lens stab if you have it in the body...though if both have it and they play nicely together, better still.

Stabilisation is a whole topic on it's own though as in what do you want it to be?

Locked off almost tripod like? Fuji is good at this.

Wave it around like a gimbal? Olympus or latest Nikon very good.

But back on price, you could get an OG S5 within the budget, but not a S5ii with a lens.

The og has old af..better no.tje s2x..is there  i can go see it and take it, but knowing that probably.come from a not legit waw.don t make.me.feelnthat good

I have a suspect that this panasonic kit is stolen...the seller act as a someone who do these kind of business

i have just founf a s5iix with 50 1.8 for 1699 euro. Can buy it by hand today!!

Update:

At r dimension they say that for warranty i will need to ship to hong Kong,  but the will pay the shipping cost...so it looks good

I have just sold my fuji 1855, so after selling it, and 55200, xt3, ax100 i am ready to reinvest in a new gear!

Right now xs20, fx30 s5ii....pity that ax700 is that old and expensive  it could have been the main candidate

2 hours ago, MrSMW said:

27-83mm vs 26-105mm at a constant aperture of f2.8, but at the expense of OIS…but you get IBIS with the X-S20, so IMO yes, both the body and lens are better.

Forget the UK prices folks. Since Brexit, us EU people have to pay import duty.

I can’t find an S5ii under 1850 euros and for the kind of focal range the OP wants, it’s 500+ for a lens with the 20-60 being a fine lens, though a bit slow and too short. The 24-105 f4 is good, great even, but the size & weight of the package is now creeping up as is the cost…and if it’s non-pro work, how inclined are you going to be to lug something around unless it’s fairly compact?

I think APSC is your sweet spot here and it’s that Fuji + the Tamron 17-70 😜

loosing stabilization on lens while still having the ibis what is the conseguence? i eman the 2 stabilization are summed or if i have ibis don t need lens one?

th efact that i don't get paid for what i do it doesn't mean that i can get anything..I don't do video of my children 🙂 i try to do visual artistic and some doc and i send them to festival. So i still want somehting good

For panasonic what i concern (a part of the price which i don't know if second hand market can be within my budget) is the size and weight yes...

I don t go for ax700 because it is old technology, old feature in sw..old hw.... and it cost like an fx30 almost

That s why i ask here what can do a similar job of that camcorder

I want to have only 1 lens on my camera to do all.change just very special need

2 minutes ago, ade towell said:

Yes it’s a full frame lens - with crop it’s about 150mm  equivalent.

I got the Sigma adaptor 2nd hand for £100, I’m not sure but there maybe cheaper ones available now but the Sigma has been 100% reliable.

The 20-60mm lens is very good quality for a kit lens

But it is short on the long end for me

1 minute ago, ade towell said:

I use the original Canon EF 24-105mm L lens, very cheap and the crop mode on the S5ii is very good if you need more reach

24 105 ff right?dont rember the calculation...how is apsc equivalent?how much does it cost the sigma adaptor?i also see on amazon second hand package camera+20 60  for a price that i could buy... [but not the 20 60) I had excitement to go finally for 1st time to sony...but may be is even more exciting to go first time to full frame

1 minute ago, stefanocps said:

I suapect that being in italy is really not convenient.buying in uk.exchange rate first, than shipping and custom!thanks brexit 😀

What could be a good zoom lens for it?for sony fx30ni would go for 18 105...similar lens for s5?

9 minutes ago, ade towell said:

In the UK there are big cash back reductions at the moment S5ii works out at £1299, that's amazing value and there are great deals with lenses included too

I suapect that being in italy is really not convenient.buying in uk.exchange rate first, than shipping and custom!thanks brexit 😀

8 minutes ago, ade towell said:

I think the AF in panasonic S5ii is pretty good, in fact I find it more reliable than it was on Canon R6, and there are some great deals on the S5ii at the moment, I wouldn't discount it because of AF concerns and its video integration is one of the best

Panasonic has one of the best integration for video yes, and this machine has the latest af of panasonic. BuT for what i see camera +lens are well.above 2000 euro