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Looks like this is gonna be the new "But can it run Crysis?" of the film scene. :D

4K on a laptop?  This thread took a turn for the worst.

Even in this early pre-Alpha, pre-release development code Alex has experiment playback working already.
 
It is very basic but will improve massively.
 
People are saying same things about raw as when 1080p came out... Big file sizes, can't figure out the workflow, don't need the extra resolution. 1080p became the standard. Same will happen with raw. Today's terrabyte is tomorrow's megabyte.

Dan Chung just posted "Canon 5D RAW hack - Useful for Real World Production?". 

In the last few days, both Andrew and Luke have cleared my 'video/filmmaker' bookmarks folder in one fell swoop! The pioneering attitude and spirit to accepting this amazing development is utterly refreshing. The other bloggers' (you all know who!), have become stale and self indulgent.
 
I personally, don't yet have the need to shoot raw, as my work doesn't require it... (yet!) I shoot on the C100, 7D and the Sony F5 of late, yet I still find this development one of the most important of at least my career.
 
Hats off to Nuemann Films and EOSHD, you guys will absolutely be my future go tos!

Some of the best footage i've seen yet:
 

Okay so the hack means you can now record RAW on a DSLR You can also do this on a BMC The difference is the 5D RAW looks beautiful and to my eyes the BMC looks more drab. However neither camera is better than say an Alexa.
 
Basicly you have two different emulsions as Shane Hurlbut might put it. The BMC does also somehow look fuller and not as sharpened. For me the 5D image looks filmic and beautiful out of the box I haven't had any decent RAW BMC footage to play around with in colour correction but I wonder if the BMC image can be colour corrected to be similar to the 5D
 
The magic lantern hack is competition for BMC that was the first to do RAW at a realistic price.
 
As far as I can see this new option is giving us more choice if we want to work exclusively in RAW
 
Now there is zero reason WHY a proper RAW video camera should not be forthcoming from all manufacturers. BMC had a years lead but couldn't deliver and have allowed others to steal what should have been theirs for the taking.

I try to look at things from multiple perspectives. I shoot for myself and also for clients so I have to look at things in a different light.

The practicality of the 5D raw is important to look at. However, not in the total misunderstanding way some professionals are (heating). I think recording time and the CF cards price:footage ratio is something we have to look at. There is practical things to be considered.

I can't for the life of me understand why one wouldn't find this breakthrough exciting. It's simply amazing what the ML team has done and it should be treated as such.

Where I differ from Andrew is (unless they fix the recording times) I wouldn't have the 5D raw as my A cam. Well even if they fix the recording time I may still use it as a B cam. Reason being not all jobs require raw and I rather not have to shoot h.264. It can be my A cam for certain things that require stealth and doesn't require controlled subjects. Thinking nature type stuff. 

So I would go for the BMCC 4k + 5D3 raw. BMCC will handle my main stuff, but I can always go to the 5D for those full frame needing shots or establishing/scenery shots. I can get wider on the 5D and I think I can use that creatively.

I'm also a fan of 16mm since I came from shooting on the Bolex and Arri-S. I will still have the pocket camera in my arsenal. Sometimes I need a greater dof etc.

So for me I think the 5D raw fits into my system. I agree that the practical aspects need to be considered, but it's very early in the development and this is a free upgrade on a old camera.

I never the type to go with one camera so people may not like this post of mine. I find using each cameras' strengths works best for me. I'm not married to any one of them. The dismissiveness of some of the bloggers is frankly annoying.

Bloom has a wicked sense of humor and blunt delivery whether talking about RED's or BMCC's faults and I respect that. He wouldn't appreciate RAW because he is a broadcast guy who shoots long docs that have to be edited and delivered fast.

I do have one beef with the man, - Philip, if you're reading this, - stop picking on "RAW" spellers because spelling this format as "raw" simply doesn't communicate the epicness of being able to manipulate your footage to death. :lol:

The biggest claim to relevance most of these cameras bloggers have is early access to gear. Magic Lantern doing their thing openly where anyone can download/install (or even compile alternate builds) and have a play with it really overturns that hype hierarchy and puts the celebrity camera bloggers on the defensive, playing catchup.
 
I don't want to sound like I'm attacking them personally, but seriously, put any of their "short films" (which are typically nothing more than camera tests anyway) up against real filmmakers and it's pitiful. I mean the whole thing is just so transparently about marketing, the people who are still hanging on their words are a lost cause anyway, unless they're new to all this and haven't figured it out yet.
 
It is rather amusing to see them backpedal and try to justify the positions they're taking in order to downplay a free firmware upgrade giving 14-bit RAW on a full-frame sensor. I mean just read that sentence a few times and really think about it. Laughable.

I enjoyed Phil when he was genuinely putting out useful regular posts. Super 35mm adapters, DSLRs, all workarounds he endorsed. Built his name on DSLRs in fact, wouldn't have a well known blog without them. Now all I see is extreme self love and a formidable self obsession. Pics of Bloom on a plane. Pics of his cats. Instagram self portraits. Fooling about at NAB, Looping Vine videos. Posing here, posing there, posing doing this, posing doing that. It's enough to make you go insane. HAD ENOUGH
 
The cult of personality has overtaken the filmmaker for me. Hate all the moral posturing too. Philip uses the moral high ground and his sense of humour as defence mechanisms against those he doesn't agree with. His ego HATES any form of criticism however constructive. Sad really, as in doing so one is left with just Bloomies and groupies around you. Say you don't like so many ads on his blog and you are met with standard response THIS BLOG COSTS SO MUCH TO RUN, and he tries to claim the high ground. I know how much blogs cost to run. Very little. In the past I did EOSHD one-handed on a shoestring for years. So make no mistake, the blog is to promote Philip Bloom. It is not only a selfless act of sharing he makes it out to be.
 
Met Phil quite a few times, each time has been odd. Charming and coldly indifferent at the same time. At Photokina, he belittled me and basically humiliated me in front of two strangers in the name of humour knowing it was inappropriate in the circumstances - very barbed passive aggressive exchanges disguised as humour, really uncomfortable to be subjected to. On other occasions he was fine. I think he has issues.

Does it leave a sour taste because I am being sour, or does it leave a sour taste because I criticised someone you like?
 
I suspect the latter.
 
Really, it is time for a more open and honest debate on the merits of our DSLR community leaders I think.

"C Series and other cameras are what people should be focusing on"
 
I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that a man sponsored by Canon who's main focus in the last 6 months has been to convince the public that the C series is where it's at would speak against the mother of all hacks that completely undercuts the value of the C series of cameras. 

And yet i still really enjoy his review videos...
 
Let's not forget that he's has a much stronger preference for documentary style work, which makes the raw workflow even more cumbersome for him.  So i can see why he isn't pooping his pants over the 5D or the BMCC.
 
But at the end of the day he's pretty good at what he does.  I'd take PB, in terms of skill, over Laforet or Shulburt.

I think those who are uninterested in this are primarily careerist secret spokesmen. Some more secret than others.
 
This is a good site because it's run by someone who speaks their mind and has their heart in independent film.
 
Bloggers giving "masterclasses" can suck a bag of dicks.
 
Not one of them can get off moaning at the rest of us for testing to get good quality for cheap, most of them make films that flat out suck and only get watched because they're "the first film with X new Canon" and so on, so the hypocrisy among some of the glorified bloggers out there moaning about people testing and sharing info is startling.
 
At least the people here share info, help each other out and take constructive criticism like grown ups, I can think of two very well known film bloggers who behave like pathetic brats whenever they're criticised or even questioned and expect everyone on their forum to personal worship every frame. They start with this "how dare you moan I give you this or free" crap
 
Well yes, so does all of YouTube and Vimeo, what makes these guys special?
 
I recently had a load of Vimeo comments deleted for suggesting that the title of a tutorial film by a well-known DSLR "tutor" didn't match the content (which was more like an advert). I wasn't rude, I simply suggested that the defensive attitude was counter productive, and that after four comments relating to it from different people, renaming should be considered.
 
The result: a childish rant in the description and deletion of every comment except worshipful praise. No grown-up style "yes that's a good idea, I'll consider it" or "I can see why you'd think that, but I prefer to stick with this". Nope, it was back to the playground.

It's sad really. These people are pretty much bitter also rans. I don't mind also rans, it's what most of us become, but the bitter ones? They can leave...

Jumping through the hoops to achieve great shots is what you do regardless of budget. Danny Boyle's crew ran around slums of Mumbai with cams tethered to macbooks running Windows XPs wrapped in actual ice packs that had to be constantly changed because they were...melting.
 
Whiners would say that's a retarded and unprofessional workflow. Winners are too busy gunning for their next Oscar. :D

I just don't get why people who are working in full time studio setups, where alpha hacks wont be considered, are even checking this out and telling us how useless it currently is.
 
This is 99% a forum of indies, low budget guys, people who will jump through hoops for image quality. Hell, people were excited about 2 seconds of raw only last month.... surely that was a pretty strong clue as to the thought process of alot of folk on here?
 
If it is not the way some of you work, that's fine.... But don't tell us how wrong or unprofessional we are to think about using it.
 
Some of us are risk takers, some of us can afford to be, for one reason or another (doing work for friends, experimenting, open minded clients etc etc).
 
I remember dropping a plastic fish tank and some weights onto the first step of our swimming pool and placing my hvx in there to get stock underwater footage... Is that the way studio guys would do it? Of course not.... Was it stupid? In hindsight, probably..... Did it looks great, hell yea... did it make me money? double hell yea.

Roger Avery (Tarantino's writing partner and basis for scripts up to and including Pulp Fiction) did his rough edit for Rules of Attraction in iMovie on his jellybean iMac, if memory serves.

ah yeah it'd be interesting to see what kinda rate we can get at 720p. 
 
Also, can you use a compact flash to SSD converter, and just trick the door sensor into thinking it's closed by taping something in there?
 
Then you get huge write speeds and capacity with a 480GB SSD.

We're not even through the middle of 2013 and the camera scene has been turned upside down twice already this year.
2013 - the year of RAW wars!

Tony Wilson is a very special visitor. As you can see he has posted before, and apparently speaks his own dialect.  I think what he is saying is, "whatever makes you happy, makes you happy. So believe what you want to believe, because everything is an illusion."

5D MKii: "Here, BMD 2.5K cam, I hand you... YOUR ASS!"
 
(BMD cam falls to floor, battery depleted)
 
BMD CAM: "Forgive me, sensei MKiii! (his moire-riddled high-school beard glitters in the hanami sunset) I foolishly thought I had outgrown you, but now I know there is always another fleshy trick in your festering loincloth.."
 
5D MKiii: (takes a step forward and throws open his gi) "AHHAHAHA! I always win because..."
 
(crash zoom) "You can actually buy me in a shop"

It is ALIVE!!!!
 

 
Meanwhile, somewhere at Canon HQ...
 

It is ALIVE!!!!
 

 
Meanwhile, somewhere at Canon HQ...
 

It is ALIVE!!!!
 

 
Meanwhile, somewhere at Canon HQ...