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i am a bit disappointed by eoshd for the timing of the report of the apertus axiom beta crowd funding campaign. at least you finally did report it.

magic lantern is open source but here is a though:
maybe ML has just a few active developers because not many of the people that can/want to get into development want to supercharge a proprietary product and boost canons sales?

so maybe ml is not the best open source paradigm and maybe thats the reason ML developers are really interested in this axiom beta project.

here is a few other open source projects out there that can be used as paradigms:
gnu linux, firefox, android aosp/cyanogen, apache, blender, mysql, libre/openoffice, inkscape, gimp, wordpress, x264, wikipedia and many many more i am sure i forgot to mention.

also take a look at this just for fun:
http://mylinuxbook.com/awesome-devices-powered-by-linux/

the hardware part is a bit more tricky. there are already quite a few successful projects out there and axiom is trying to be one of them. and as mentioned before, this project has been planed for years. it didnt all start with a crowd funding campaign a month ago.

the difference between apertus and blackmagic design or other camera manufacturers is not that they work for free(they dont) or that they are smarter(maybe they are) or things like that.
the main difference is that open source is a totally different business model. and that is a great advantage in my opinion.
for example its a great thing, having the datasheets of a sensor publicly available without having to sign NDAs with the manufacturer and hundreads of people already are coming up with ideas and tricks to drive the sensor to its limits, before even getting the camera itself.

the cost of this camera is relatively higher than other cameras because fair labor is a prerequisite for the apertus team and the open source culture. this camera wont be produced in sweatshops like many other cameras do and thats actually a good thing.

to use this camera, as any other open source project, you dont have to be a programmer.

its not the same sensor with the AJA Cion and the BM 4k. those companies keep the sensor they use a sealed secret and thats the actual problem. you are holding a black box in your hands and you have no idea whats inside and if you can use it more efficiently, let alone modify it and fine tune it for your needs. and dont forget, this is what DPs (they are professionals) were doing and loved doing in the past.

there are people that want to know how the things they use work and be able to customize or alter their function and there are people that dont. why call the former hobbyists and the latter professional? why not vice versa? anyway i dont think thats the criterion for professionalism

this is a beta camera. the focus is on building a system that can support and drive a sensor as capable as the cmv12000 for example. everything learned from this will be used in the gamma, the sensor as well. it is the first time so many will be able to get this close to a sensors inner workings (if they wish of course) dont you think this will produce amazing results?
 
its ok not everybody has to get one of these cameras and be on board if they feel uncomfortable with this whole idea. this project is not trying to make you feel bad about not joining. after all there are risks involved.
just wait and see the effect this project will have on the proprietary culture in general
 
also visit the apertus website and just give it a look. there are many interesting things in there.
https://www.apertus.org/

I understand what you're saying but using Magic Lantern as an example of what could go wrong with an open source project is probably misplaced. The first thing is that ML does have many problems, but ML is not the problem. The problem is the nature of the project - basically ML is a Hack, not really a development project. But why is that? Because the software/Hardware that they are deloping for is closed and Canon just will not/have not given them an ounce of help. Therefore, they have to reverse engineer everything. Most of what the ML team does is guess work and trial and error to figure out how the software/hardware works. Even so, ML has been wildly successful. So much so that AXIOM had to resort to ML's thriving community to reach their funding goals. They said that much themselves. That's what I call success. Rental houses, pro shooters as well as enthusiasts - if you own a Canon body you probably have ML running on it (Who shoots h.264 anymore?).
 
If you want to use an open source project as an example, then try referencing projects such as Mysql, Mozilla and there are many more!
 
It seems to me that you missed the point completely - the reason for an open source cinema camera is so that you take the guess work out of programming! . . . No guess work, no faulty software. If the hardware fails every now and then, well, Black Magic will probably understand (if you know what I mean) - that's why we have AXIOM!
 
You are right about not many amateurs being able to afford it, but then again if ML was not around you couldn't afford a real cinema camera that shoots 14-bit RAW anyways. BTW, who's to say they will not make a sub-$1,000 camera - in fact I'd be willing to bet that's in the works.

Hi all,
 
While I agree with almost all of the posts here - both positive and negative, the thing to bear in mind is this camera is a Beta, not a production model.
 
I'm the person who's been described in other posts as a mythical creature - an amateur videographer who can afford the price and time to invest in this.  And I see that the potential this camera gives, especially with ML on-board, would be an opportunity wasted if I didn't commit to it. 
 
I've a very long relationship with Linux and have tinkered with the ML code so for me a quick fiddle with the source code and a re-compile is no big deal.
 
I know I'm in for a bumpy ride, but for me who has the luxury of not having to worry about screwing up paid gigs, and benefiting from a bleeding edge systems, is really exciting.
 
So for all of you nay-sayer, sit back and just let this project pan out.  It may crash and burn, but it also may be the best thing ever (well, for raw video cameras that is).
 
Just for the record I'm from a background similar to maxotics - been using ML for a few years, absolutely stoked when they developed Raw video, bought a 50D and really enjoyed the quality of the results - became frustrated somewhat with the core ML devs (but still an avid supported for what they've given me) jumped ship to BM and so enjoying my BMPCC because 'It just works' and enjoyed the rollercoaster of a ride with their firmware updates so much that I bought a seconds BMPCC (bugger still hasn't arrived yet though - effing BM and their Swiss distributers!)
 
And while I've been reading EOSHD for years, this is the first post that I feel so passionate about that I've created an account to post with.