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53 minutes ago, Paul Cryer said:

Someone has asked on the GH5 FB group about aspect ratio markers and the answer is no, it doesn't

Thanks for the answer. I actually guessed, because not only did it take 3 months to get the answer, people who used the cam (in advance) never mentioned it.

It was one of the very 1st things mentioned by owners of the A7S series cams.

So, Pany decides to throw everything but the kitchen Crop markers on this cam, which makes buying an external monitor for Crop Markers (your shot composition!!) essential. 

Shame. Ridiculous in 2017.

Almost as bad as Canon not doing it either.

Dont they promote this cam for making movies? You will not find one cinema camera on earth that doesent have this feature.

Except of course, the Canon 1DC.

But low light is very average anyway, and this just killed it.

Your witness.

NAB 2017.

On 3/25/2017 at 7:15 PM, lafilm said:

Andrew, Congrats on your new GH5!

Now for the (2) two million dollar questions - if you would be so kind;

1. Does this camera have Crop Markers (2:35,2:40,1:85 etc...) ?

2. Does this camera have the Monochrome/ Black & White  (or whatever they call it now) option in which to view the EVF/LCD monitor ??

Thank you.

Bump.

Andrew, Congrats on your new GH5!

Now for the (2) two million dollar questions - if you would be so kind;

1. Does this camera have Crop Markers (2:35,2:40,1:85 etc...) ?

2. Does this camera have the Monochrome/ Black & White  (or whatever they call it now) option in which to view the EVF/LCD monitor ??

Thank you.

3 hours ago, Neumann Films said:

I heard something about crop marks at one time (early meetings) but that is all.  Who knows where it's at now.

I'm not sure about the LCD.  You can shoot with a REC709 LUT applied just to it so that makes me think it would be very much possible.

Hey thanks again for the info. Hope they do add these features.

2 hours ago, jonpais said:

Hi LAfilm Are you referring to Monochrome Live View?

jonpais - Yes, that's right. I should have used the word Monochrome but none of the young guys seems to know what I'm talking about when I say Mono. Maybe I'm getting  too old haha.

Do you have expierence with it? I haven't had this feature since the old days of "Digi Beta". I sure do miss it.

If they don't add the Crop marks it will force an external monitor to this system.

That would be a real shame since they seem to be listening to working videographers now.

3 hours ago, Neumann Films said:

That shot is UHD 422 10bit.  There will be 5 downloadable shots, some 4K/60 8bit, UHD 24p 422 10, and UHD 30p 422 10.

Luke, thanks for all the info..great stuff. Two questions if you don't mind:

1. Can you shoot with the Viewfinder/LCD set to Black & White?

2. Can you set Crop Marks..like 1:85, 2:35, or 2:40 Crop Lines in Viewfinder and LCD...(like the A7S series) ?

Thanks man

On July 24, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Ed_David said:

Whatever it is, I think the look is working against them - cartoony, bright colors - no it shouid be crappier looking - iphone-ish style - it's also lit too well - it should have been underexposed - more doc style

man I should make my own found footage horror film

I agree with this 100%. And yes, I would pay money to see a found footage movie shot by Ed.

On July 25, 2016 at 4:02 AM, Jimmy said:

I guess the idea of "found" footage becomes harder to show when kids can now shoot on cameras with 12 stops DR, amazing low light, 5 axis IBIS etc....

They should have done it all with iphone and a selfie stick, searching the forest for Pokemon.

Completely agree with this statement. This trailer is way to polished= looks fake.

7 hours ago, Snowfun said:

Does anyone know whether any Canon can match the Sony A7S at high ISO (at least 25k)? I want to put together a couple of kits for lodge guests to film aurora in Scandinavia. The Sony is the obvious choice as it produces great results and is relatively cheap (paired with Samyang 24mm).  But it isn't the best build quality, is awkward to use and lacks weather sealing etc. HD/4k isn't too important. Might one responsebe to wait to see what the 5d4 can do? 

Thanks,

Tim

 

Snowfun, you're getting some wrong info here. Let me give it to you straight. 

if you want a dedicated low-light cam, you must go with the A7s ii.

The Canon 1D C is more 'Filmic' in my opinion, however there is quite a bit of noise on the 1D C by 4000 -5000 ISO (enough to denoise).

I've seen this personally on 2 separate 1D C's. This is a fact on all settings, including C Log.

Even the DP famous for his dslr cinematography, Shane Hurlbut, said you can use the 1D C to 4000 iso for web, however for big screen do not go over 3200 ISO.

As far as the Sony A7s ii, you can go up to 8,000-10,000 (depending on settings - no S-Log here) with very minor denoise, if any at all.

For any footage you want super clean, you will have to denoise A7s ii footage after 12,800.

Still, much better in low light than the 1D C. (you will spend mucho time color timing it).

1D C looks much better if you're going for a 'filmic' look with proper colors. (below 5000 ISO)

Hope this helps.

22 minutes ago, JamesDrum said:

Guys... calm down. I am sorting some stuff out with E.S. Yes, I am unsure if I will actually get my money. We can AT LEAST give him a day to send the RF to Tim and Thomas. As for myself, I can wait a couple days to receive a payment. If I don't, I already have my legal documents together with all of his information/scanned ID, written confession, and handwritten confirmation. I will take it to the authorities if he tries to keep my money. 

James, the authorities will not help you. Period. Read my last two posts. I lost nearly 10 X  the amount of money you did.

It's over. You got scammed. Life sucks and you move on.

You'll never receive a cent from this clown. BTW, nothing he posted is true.

I have to add to my post a minute ago. I was also very angry. Very angry.

I thought about hiring a PI to help me track down the guy so I could beat him to death. Seriously. I had the extra cash to do it. The guy was in the US. It would have been expensive, but easy.

Very grateful my friends talked me out of it.

I would be sitting in prison for life right now over my own stupidity. And I was stupid. 

But now I'm free mentally and physically and a lot wiser.

It could have gotten a lot worse and a lot nastier. Now that I'm thinking about it, I actually feel lucky today.

Thanks for reading and good luck moving forward.

On May 13, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Ed_David said:

thanks man

I just use basically cine4 and pro color gamut .  And then filmconvert in post -and go from there.  Or impulz luts.  whatever floats your boat - all in coloring stuff

Thanks again for the info Ed.

The most ridiculous thread in the history of EOSHD. Guys, your money is gone forever. The law won't do shit to help you. You fell for a scam on the internet. 

It happens. A lot of the world sucks right now. The internet is dangerous. Scams, thefts, robberies, molestation, assaults, stalking, ID theft, and even rape and murder are common now.

Craigslist anyone?

I was burned out of $3,500 about 4 years ago. 2 different lawyers told me it was going to be impossible to get my money back. Of course I already knew that, but I tried. 

I was a complete fool. I cannot even say how dumb I was to send money to a complete stranger. You feel more than ripped off. You feel violated. You feel stupid. You feel helpless. It sucks. 

Learn from it and move on. I did. (yes, it was very hard). The healing will be faster. After a few months your self-esteem will gradually reappear.

Meantime, let Andrew ban the clowns from India forever. This is a joke. A very unfunny one.

On May 9, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Ed_David said:

I agree - Canon colors with the A7S features - why can't they do that?  

Plus flip screen is nice on a7s and weight being a lot less.

Canon color science I love.  I need to experiment again with my Nikon cameras as well.  Getting the sony chip there is possible, but I feel like the native Canon chip maybe nicer - I don't know - I haven't done any test.

here's some photos I did this week on the a7s ii.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice shots, Ed. I have to admit, all your A7s/A7s ii videos look very filmic. 

What's your secret sauce if I may ask?

And, would you feel comfortable shooting narrative on an A7s ii, or prefer a different mirrorless/dslr (if those were your only choices for shooting). Thanks Ed.

8 hours ago, DBounce said:

All three are color graded. My 1DX Mkii looks nothing like this out of the box. But I certainly I could grade it so people look like martians. Also, this footage is shot at 1080p 30/mbps, far from the best mode to shoot on the 1DX Mkii. You are easily convinced. I own the Canon and the Sony, and I can tell you that shooting with both cameras in their highest quality modes will show the 1DX Mkii to be far superior... It's not a close contest... There is no contest. If you want to see what both cameras do out of the box, at their highest quality settings, with the same white balance, using the same lens... then look at the test I did here. In the video I do not color grade to match, instead I drop a preset from SpeedGrade on both camera's footage, and add a vignette, just to see how both files handle it. Further down someone tries to match the look. Matching looks is of no interest to me, as if I wanted to match a B-cam I would simply buy another 1DX Mkii and use it as the B-cam. I simply did this test to show what both could do all things being equal... same lens, iso, lighting conditions, highest settings etc...

DBounce, thanks for your tests and congratulations on your new cam!

Question:  We know the new Canon 1DX Mark ii does 12,500 ISO in 4K, and 25,000 ISO in HD.  

However, is it true in 4K 24p,  the image gets super noisy by 8,000 ISO,  or before? 

What would you say is a safe ISO before you need major post work?  (say on a narrative feature)

Thank you.

A lot of people (on numerous websites) are bashing the 20mm Sigma.

Just nuts. Forget the pixel peeping and slight distortion. It's 20mm!

It was made for low light photography and it shines on a Sony A7S ii at 3:00 in the morning. 

Have fun with it!

1 hour ago, wolf33d said:

1 year ago I published a post on EOSHD telling people why it is 100% obvious that Canon will put 4k on the 5DIV with a list of arguments. 
People had same reaction as you "do you believe that joke" . Now today most people actually are convinced it will have 4K. Let's not start this again and use your brain to think. Mirrorless is growing fast and is the future in many aspects of photo/video. Canon will come to it and of course in FF. They might be dumb in not giving us the features we want to protect some of there product lines, but they are not that dumb to avoid one of the biggest market to come. 

 

It is a fact the new Canon 5D Mark 4 will have 4K.

Will it have 4K 60p, like the new Canon 1DX Mark ii?

NO.

Remember, the original 1D X was superior in image quality and low light to the 5D3.

This will not change. Pony up the 6K or be happy with the Mark 4 with 24p 4K.

And YES, I do believe in Santa Claus. 

9 hours ago, jcs said:

Did some tests with the 1DX II today. We plan to use the 1DX II with the C300 II for multicam shoots (and with the A7S II as well).

After testing the builtin profiles and getting close to something I liked with a modified Faithful profile, I created a custom picture profile using Canon's Picture Style Editor. The goal was to emulate CLog: boost shadows and pull highlights (and look decent straight out of camera). I tried a few variations and below is the result I felt was a good start:

Lens: Canon 24-105, 1/50, F5, ISO 1600, Highly Tone Priority On, custom picture profile. Full frame IPB 23.98 1080p, PADF, internal camera mic, mixed lighting (challenging LED practical lights (green bias/spike), monitor lights, and a decent LED in the background).

Thoughts: I like the camera. It does a nice job in mixed lighting, it looks pretty good out of the box and even better with a custom picture profile. RS is present but low. 4K60 plays back fine in PP CC. Transcoding to much smaller H.264 IPB 4K files at 250Mbps looks decent when not pixel peeping (mostly loses noise detail), might try to optimize further. Currently everything we create is for online 420 IPB delivery (YouTube, Vimeo).

I haven't done low light tests yet, however pulling up the shadows is very clean, and the noise grain is pleasing. Canon's full frame 1080p isn't as good as Sony's full frame (4K 100Mbps downscaled to 1080p in post). It's not just the downscale where the A7S II is better, the Canon is doing lower quality pixel binning/skipping as there is aliasing and moire (see my glasses frame edges). The 1DX II looks amazing in 4K, however it's a 1.33 crop. Thus for full frame 1080p the A7S II looks better (when RS won't cause an issue). For internet delivery and the average viewer, the difference probably isn't important. If the quality difference becomes important, we can shoot in 4K with a 1.33 crop (and purchase more hard drives). We're currently shooting with the C300 II in 50Mbps 1080p IPB- quality is more than sufficient, including for green screen (I'll post technical details and a clip in another thread).

The 1DX II uses new batteries, which are proprietary and very expensive compared to 5D3 batteries (and not currently available- should be available soon). Size wise, the 1DX II is like a 5D3 with the battery grip built in.

The AF is pretty good, it keeps tracking even when the head is turned sideways: their face detector is trained beyond just straight on, which is cool. AF noise is somewhat loud; less of an issue when not using the built in mic (same for C300 II). Canon's EF-S STM lenses can't be mounted to full frame cameras without modification, so there's currently limited options for quiet AF FF EF lenses (e.g. the Canon 40mm F2.8, 50mm F1.8, and 24-105 F3.5-5.6 EF STM)).

In summary: with a custom picture profile to boost shadows and pull highlights (attached to this post) along with Highlight Tone Priority enabled, it's possible to get close to CLog, and image quality, noise quality, skintones, RS, and AF are really nice.

 

1DX2e_Logish.pf3

jcs - Thanks very much for your tests. 

However, would you please do a LOW LIGHT video test on the 1DX ii??  (in 24p 4K)

This is the biggest question most people want answered. 

Especially, compared to the Sony A7S ii, and the Canon 1D C.

I've read ZERO noise until 8,000 ISO. Is this true??

And if so, is it also true you're maxed out to 12,500 ISO in 24p 4K??

And if this is true, what exactly does 12,500 ISO (24p 4K) look like on this new camera??

Workable on a narrative film project?? (Big Screen).

Thank you!!!

On May 7, 2016 at 2:07 AM, jgharding said:

I'm a bit more relaxed today than when I wrote that first post - production stresses!!

On May 7, 2016 at 0:22 AM, Ebrahim Saadawi said:

a statement from a trusted longterm fs7 documentary shooter saying the image looks better, is a huge one, because the fs7 is fucking gorgeous, even skintones and colourscience (f5/f55 territory).  So i love that. What  am still waiting for, 1DC vs 1DXII image comparison. PLEASE! I just want to own the 1D or just keep the 1Dc if the C-Log and image is generally noticeablly better. I'd love DPAF, 60P, 120P, 14fps stills, but would appreciate Zero sharpening (C Log) higher DR and more filmic image, plus 1080p s35 mode that's soringly sharp and colourful, plus no EU TAX rule time limit. Some body please test both so "d go with one and forget damn cameras for a while. My A camera will be 1D/X + Zucoto Loup + Zoom H4n givong XLRs and phantom power on the hot shoe (and real audio knobs) so not much different from a C100 audio set up on top. I can absolutely focus just fine without peaking so wi'l not bloat the package with an HDMI EVF/Monitor. Just seems like a wonderful kit for video shooting, and the 1dc gives you that s 35 1080p for weddings/docs that the 1dx does not. I do a lot of interviews and documentaries and cards can be a bigissue so having a c300 like 1080p C-log mode is very very handy at very low all-i bitrate. 

Agree 110%

No noise until you hit (8,000 iso) on the new 1D X ii.

That is superior performance than any video camcorder, DSLR and the original Canon 1DX and 1DC.

Only the Sony A7S ii is superior in low light.

On May 2, 2016 at 0:25 PM, jgharding said:

As well as the aforementioned comically giant 8-bit files, every film I've watched so far seems to have clipped flat highlight areas knocking around. It's not the end of the world but it's not that nice when even cheap cameras come with log now. What's the excuse? It costs 4 grand! Sony give you log in a pocket compact. Why make you use an ancient 800mbit codec at 8-bit with no log? Because this doesn't have a "C" on it, so you aren't allowed nice things.

I do start to cringe when the "well it doesn't need it" defensive arguments come out, it reminds me of Mac fanboys who tried to defend the Mac laptop with only one USB slot that doubled as charger. "Well... I DONT NEED IT! I LIKE NOT HAVING IT! ITS A GOOD THING" Yes you do, no you don't and no it's not. You're trying to feel better about being stiffed  there's no prizes for It.

And also it has no peaking right, or so I hear?! and I suppose no one needs that either? So a 550D with magic lantern still has a bunch more video features than this?! I'm a canon fan, I have three video cams of theirs. But I'm not a fanboy, and won't cuck it up and pretend that cheaping out on features is somehow generous. It's not, they've really held back on video here quite obviously because it's not C series.

maybe if you're a still+video guy this is a good option. Weddings etc. Shoot stills, roll baked-in 8-bit video. But It all seems a bit ropey for video only use. I can see no reason to drop that kinda cash on it TBH and in hiring terms the C300 mk ii has it beat.

still, each to their own.

It's not a bad camera obviously, but as far as I can see it's just more proof that they're determined to separate stills and video.

Whoa!

This guy prefers the new Canon 1D X ii - than the Sony FS7!

http://nofilmschool.com/2016/05/field-review-canon-eos-1d-x-mark-ii

16 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

4K is the standard of 2016 and future proof.

Furthermore 4K is the only way to get true 1080p or 2K res out of a DSLR or mirrorless camera. None of the 1080p cameras shoot 1080p. It's just a sticker on the box. They are really shooting a pixel binned or line skipped image. The exception are the full sensor readout 1080p cameras like the A7S which down-sample better on the image processor, but shooting 4K is still preferable over this as it's future proof. In most situations you also have to shoot 4K to avoid severe moire & aliasing.

So in short, 4K was necessary to move us on from the crappy line-skipping and moire era of DSLR video.

It's not so much a resolution obsession, even if you deliver 1080p, it helps to have your acquisition quality 4K.

Now we have two kinds of 4K... that from a full sensor readout is preferable for the full lens circle to get used, whilst a crop of the sensor readout is a stop-gap until the sensor & image processor tech gets better - although sometimes it has its benefits - like a Super 35mm mode on a full frame camera, and 1.3x crop (1D C) doesn't hurt as much as a 2.3!

True, rolling shutter and heat issues can occasionally bite you on some of the lower end models, but it's still in the most part preferable to have some kind of technological progress than none. Without progress, we wouldn't get through this early phase of imperfect 4K and onto better things.

The only times I avoid 4K these days is if I am shooting hours and hours of live footage and need very small file sizes, or the other aspects of the image outweigh the benefits of the alternative 4K cameras for a particular project - such as full frame RAW on the 5D Mark III with magic lantern for the best colour and keying, or high frame rate 120fps 1080p which can be lovely for certain things.

Agree with this 100%.

For anything that you may make $ on, you must future proof your work.

It's  only a matter of 18 months before 4K DVD's are here...If you don't think everyone will be re-purchasing their favorite movies in 4K...you better think again.

Also, think of the camera movement and 200% blow up that looks wonderful in 4K.

With the prices $6 grand and under now,  it makes no sense to shoot anything in other than 4K now. Any content you can make money on that is.

I believe the Sony A7S 3 will have super slow mo in 4K. For now you have 1D X ii, if you don't mind the crop.

18 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

The NX1 gets a bad rap for noise, but at ISO 800 and under it's spookily clean due to the BSI structure.

For 1600 and above you're always going to be looking at full frame for best performance, it's the laws of physics. Although the A6300 and D7200 put in a good performance.

It's not surprising the Canon ambassador is even more 'positive' than DPR and loose with the facts.

As for the new DIGIC 6 chips, I wouldn't expect them to be that much different to Canon's last top end effort 4 years ago. Probably run a little cooler, which allows 4K 60fps, but also, they don't have to pull much weight due to MJPEG codec and lack 4K H.264, which is far more computationally intensive.

Canon are not in the business of ramping up their costs on a stills body for the sake of better video processing and codec licensing.

I definitely hear you on the Canon ambassador. For some reason it's possible they screwed up on the stills side (I was commenting on the stills).

That being said, I have to make a comment about the quality of the video from the new Mark ii.

I was at NAB a couple weeks ago.

In person, this is exactly what I saw.

(with different footage that for some mysterious reason is not on-line anywhere).

Again, not the same footage, but the same result. 

Please view below.

Canon 1D C (cannot) achieve this. Not even close.

Not taking sides here...and Throwing all the emotions aside, it's not logical that the new Canon 1D X ii -  has zero ISO improvements over it's predecessor.

The cam has 2 brand NEW Digital 6 + chips that are far superior than any chips Canon has ever made.

This guy says the exact OPPOSITE of DPReview - Hmmmm....

https://cpn-cms.canon-europe.com/content/ambassadors/explorers/marina_cano/blogs/blog3.do

8 hours ago, Oliver Daniel said:

I wish this camera had a LOG profile. 

One huge benefit of log is highlight roll off. The videos I've seen so far have poor highlight roll off. The NX1 does that better. 

If they added a profile, I'd put serious thought into grabbing one. Although the 120fps mode quality doesn't particulary good. I'll have to rent one to find out. 

The new Canon 1DX Mark ii does not need Log. 

In fact at NAB this year, I had 2 separate Canon reps tell me that this new cam replaces the Canon 1D C.

You can tweek the cam multiple ways as has already been pointed out in this thread.

Btw, the images from the new 1DX really does blow away anything you can capture on any Sony A7S/R -4K.

The native DR on the 1DX ii is astonishing for $6,000. A steal.

I saw it with my own eyes at the show. Of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. To me it screamed cinematic with practically zero tweaking. 

Canon 1DX Mark ii - is the best slow motion. I spoke with several popular 'video experts' we all know at this year's NAB.

They all said the new Canon 1DX Mark ii  - under $10,000 dollars. 

Of course I saw the images myself on state of the art 4K screens at NAB.  It's really gorgeous footage from new Canon flagship model.

49 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

So I returned the A7sii yesterday.
Like with all Sonys, it first feels perfect. There is so much to like with them.
Everything from the handling, features, build, specs etc.

The A7sii is a joy to shoot, much improved DR, mind blowing lowlight and great IS for old glass.
But.... still... when grading and viewing the finished image... its just not there yet.
I hate being able to get the Slog-3 where I want it just to see it band.
Or to be satisfied with the Slog-2 in general and then see what it does to skin.

In short, its a super awesome and great camera, but its not for me.

With that said I did a top 5 review.

 

Mattias, nice video. I was waiting for your punch line "But I sold it anyway fuckers"!!  Lol

Nice shots of city. Is this Germany?

Have you tried color correcting on Davinci?

At least a dozen people I've spoken with about the Sony A series hated the colors, but suddenly fell in love with the camera again, after using Davinci a few hours to work the magic.