Emanuel

I saw pics of the Kinefinity TERRA, and the thing is so tiny, its amazing. 

Clearly,  you don't get it. Skepticism doesn't mean I won't by, it means I'm seriously considering,  but need assurance before I plunk down my $9k.

The buttons are really the 'pressing' issue. 

Misaligned button caps on what is probably one of two demo/ working prototype TERRA's at NAB is not exactly an accurate sign of quality control for a final production run.
With the amount of people who will get their grubby hands on them during the show, I'm sure the buttons will correct themselves through finger touch friction which I'm sure will alleviate the very real concern we are all having at this time.

No evidence of 6K in any of those cameras, or a 10-bit internal codec. And one shouldn't make confident declarations about upcoming products when they're just speculating.

To wait for NAB, at least, it has happened before... :-)

Maybe yes, maybe not. I still think Blackmagic has finally a real competitor to enter in their own market field. And it also does seem they don't show off with vaporware a year earlier nor FPN or similar awkwards.
Pocket 4K can be a plus for such race, out of competition, though.

I think a used C300, Red One MX, or Battle-tested Kinemini 4K are your best options. Kinemini has the best overall IQ and flexibility; RED has brand recognition and 4K; and the Canon is super popular with clients and offers a solid image with little fuss.

The Ursas are really cool and create great images, but imo aren't quite ready for prime time yet...and that's coming from one of the biggest BM apologists out there. 

13 hours ago, christrad said:
Sorry but apparently you didn't write the Vimeo comments of the owner who said how much he love his NX1 and is not in anyway disapointed by it but just "felt like it was time to try something new".
 
Actually, that was my input there and his reply, respectively:
"how have you found the difference with your new G7 toy?"
Albert Fast 4 months ago:
"G7 is lighter and smaller but lacks 100-120 fps slow motion and headphone jack. Different color science but comparable low light performance. Both great cameras!"
 
In a personal note, in a way or another, I share the same perspective of him and many others (no matter the camp you play), to usually be open and straightforward : ) No football cheerleaders contest over here. By the way, it is an European who's writing it :-)

Maybe I m optimistic but I assume that a company would not release a product inferior to their previous release especially for a camera.
I mean the kine mini is cheaper and the image quality is already good enough for me so I hardly see why the quality would be lower than that .
The selling point is the slow mo /mount/form factor for me.
 
Also I m living in Japan and I will get one delivered in china, so I will get the basic pack for 5600 usd with no extra charges .

I feel you're brave to order that before we've even seen any footage from it!

After all they're attempting what nobody has done before (global/rolling sensor), BMD tried and failed at it. 

Are there any samples from the 5K Terra sensor yet? The 6K is a known quantity since they used it in the Kinemax, but I haven't seen anything from the 5K yet besides its promising specs. 

I pre ordered the 5k one .
If you shoot music video/fashion, you need clean slow mo and there is nothing else in the price range. It s basically a red epic MX ++ for 5kusd ...
It s more compact/light than blackmagic , color science is better than panasonic/sony/blackmagic (you should play with the DNG they provide and the image is great , I was amazed by how much you can recover on the landscape/lake shot).
There is a shoot comparing multiple cameras from GH4 to alexa and the tester said that the kinefinity images where the closest one to red/arri from the lot.
And the mount system look great , that mean you can get fast zoom easily with the focal reducer.
I understand that because it s a unknown Chinese company, people are skeptical and if it was their first camera I probably would not have pre ordered it .
But if you look at Dji , they are also a Chinese company and they have great product .
 
 
 

Im not going to read the pages and pages of wining going on here from people who have not owned a camera from kinefinity so please forgive me if I say something thats already been covered.
Kinefinity is totally a reliable company. I actually get great access to support online and they have been very open to suggestions. They added an anamorphic mode within 2 versions of the firmware. Kinestation is great, their codecs are great KRW is a lossless format that can be converted directly back to DNG (if its not shot in highspeed mode which is 4:4:4 not raw. I would say they push their cameras way further then any other company because they have no top end to gouge so why not make the cameras the best they can be.
Now for the cameras. Ive owned the Kinemini when it first came out and then upgraded my body to the Kinemini4k. I was about to upgrade to the kinemax but then the Terra got announced. Who doesnt want this camera??? You are crazy, just go and spend more money on a Red Camera then. I personally dont have $40k+ to spend on a cinema camera. The image on the kinemini4k is already lovely. A good mix or the red and Alexa honestly. The noise pattern is organic and the range is there.The kinemax 16fstops in Golden 3k, this sold me along with the highspeed options. Now with the Terra comes global shutter and 15/13 stops in a smaller body. I want one so I really hope none of you do so I get one faster.
I got Rich off the forumn here to modify a speedbooster for my Kinemini and then Kinefinity made one shortly after. They are a company who does listen I feel. The mount is awesome, its a sub PL mount with many options. The sensor is Super 35.....
I dont know what else to say really, its a sweet vcamera and Im glad I didnt go with the black magic cameras in the end or other cameras. If you really want to know more then just speculation you can join us users over at Kinecommunity and the Kinfinity User group on facebook.
 
Rob

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A few others have been going in the opposite direction such as this shooter here:
 

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A few others have been going in the opposite direction such as this shooter here:
 

For sure. New Nikons do it.

These cams do look pretty nice and I'll probably get the 24-85, but I'd still love to see an update to the LX100. That could be the ultimate compact if done right. 

Yep that interview was also conveniently less than 3 min  

Hue... Very stupid choice BTW
No natural colors anymore... no sense at all

Sit back a few years, then you get a camera that's usually 50% off the first price and has no more bugs.
You can leap frog from older camera to older camera.
You can right now use the Sony F3 and own it for $4k or so used, and then when you are ready, switch to a F5 or F55 or FS7 when it comes down in price.
With the savings, invest in lighting, glass, and tripod, and camera movement.
Find your niche - are you good at lighting?  Composition?  Movement.  
Invest in that.
The Red One MX still has probably 90% of what you need vs a Red Dragon or Weapon or bla bla bla.  
Do tests.
Sorry Andrew about the FS5 issues.  But you get what you pay for.

I don't know Mattias, you might say it was just for fun but your dog looks like getting paid to stay still. 

The video posted by avril is quite outsanding imo.

Since the issue of black levels in LOG mode on the Leica SL was raised on EOSHD, Leica have reached out to me. Here I can reveal Leica are working hard on video related refinements.
Last week in Berlin, product manager Steffen invited me to see the new firmware in action.
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