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The A7S-III is already here. It has; Sony BSI Exmor full frame sensor (highly likely) 10bit color sampling, internal and HDMI. 4:2:2 150mbp/s 4k internal. 6k full pixel readout (6k to 4k oversampling) 4k 60p in "Hollywood cine" super35 sensor size. Full size HDMI port. No recording limit in 4k 30p No overheating whatsoever. 14+ stops of VLog Wave form scopes. LUT support Fantastic color science. 4k raw over HDMI is on the way. See?...the A7S-III is here today! But its Panasonic that made it, not Sony. Its called S1.

I dONT kNow I JuST SHoOT raw aNd mAkE ANY colors i WAnT

I don't think I have posted this before, mainly because I look terrible in it. Several years ago I used the Tokina 28-70 and a SLR Magic anamorphot together and on a super35 sensor (Samsung NX1) and it worked. It gave a very pleasant look as well. I'm wondering if using the new SLR magic adapter would enable it's use on full frame. If so that would be a full frame anamorphic zoom for ~$2000.

Nikkor 35mm 1.4...

The camera has one job, process an image. If it needs 3-4 minutes work per image just to make people look normal.. that's not exactly awesome imo. It's like whith the white balance in Slog2. Defenders always claimed that setting the right WB needed extra time and effort and that is perfectly normal.. yeah no.. in every other camera on earth it's a basic setting that takes two seconds and always has. I love Sony cameras. I've bought many, way more than Canons. And I can get really nice looking images and colors out of them, no problem. But doing it fast, efficient and consistent compared to CaNikon, PanaOly, or even Pentax and Leica.. not so much.

I've probably said it before but whoever makes an HDMI input version of this tiltable EVF will make a fortune.

Yes, the camera got kicked on internet for it's lesser level AF compared to the competition. But, still, I am probably going to buy one, cause it almost ticks all other boxes for me. I was looking at everything else : canon eos R, nikon Z6 again, Sony a7iii, 5D iii raw, fuji xt3, bmpcc4k... The S1, for my use, could be the best balance. For that, I am ready to sacrifice a bit of af, as I do not shoot high speed sports stills or critical one man band videos, weddings or vlogs. I played with a G9 a month ago and, whoa, what an experience. Only the joystick is poorly placed if you have little to average size hands. Otherwise, everything feels great, I felt like a happy carpenter with the right tools !

Yeah but they are going to Have to do something with AF a lot better than they are doing now. That is pretty unacceptable in this day and age.,

Now this is more like it! Panasonic Lumix S1 (Vlog 422 10bits) - “AESTHETICELAND” 4K on Vimeo:

CANON: SONY:

Andrew, your test isn't fair. As the other forumer said, there's one photo shot with soft light in the shade and the other one with direct sunlight and green reflection from the grass. I totally agree with you about Canon (and Nikon, and even fuji) having better colors straight out of the camera than Sony, but the gap isn't as wide as those photos want it to be. And now with presets in lightroom, you can easily turn any camera into anything. And applying it to series of photos takes one clic. I wasn't liking my RX100 V photos because of the colors. I purchased VSCO presets to try them out, and I was stunned at the results. With just a bit of fiddling, and a few clicks, my RX100 turned into a fuji camera ! With a classic chrome esthetic. And the latest sony cameras have tremendously improved their color science. But again, I prefer Canon jpegs. No actually I prefer Fuji jpegs :P

If it was a blind test I would guessed it was shot on something far more expensive. So I meant "good"

See, even the big Sony fanboy admits it. You don't even have to try to make Sony's colour look bad. It just is bad. It made me laugh on the other thread, when a guy said I must have tried really hard to make her look that bad... When that was how the RAW looked straight after I opened it.

Opposite way round my friend. Took around 5 minutes? Now multiply that by 1000. You fix my photos. I'll pay you $1 for the lot. Still short of the Canon anyway. Exactly. White balance is baked into S-LOG 2. Then people put a totally different colour temperature on it with a LUT. No wonder it looks a bit weird. I remember that Sony recognised this was a problem and on the FS cameras you get to choose S-Gamut White Balance Color Modes like 5300K! Problem was, then you lost your usual AWB system and had to dive into the shitty Sony menus to select a preset. The Leica M9 is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You open the RAW in Adobe, and then 2 seconds later, it's done. No fiddling or 5 minutes to fix problems. Do the same thing with a Sony and no matter what, people look like they have big red bags under their eyes, yellow shadow under their chin, magenta rashes and zombie-dead flesh where a nice healthy glow should be. It's much easier to fix greens and blues in landscapes if needed, than it is to fix skin. Skin is very complicated and you rely on the camera to get it right.

Canon sometimes isn’t the best for landscapes. There’s a focus on skin tones that sometimes take the oomph out of greens and blues. I find Fujifilm and Nikon to have a great balance overall, all subject matters considered. The Panasonic S1 looks fantastic. Every time I look at jpegs from Olympus OMD camera’s I come away impressed. Olympus colour is underrated.

But if you count 3-4 min more for processing 1000 pictures (typical wedding day) that would be almost a week of extra work...

You are so blind you could not see a joke even when it hits you. I actually shoot with a Sony but could not live with the A7S II more than few weeks because of its color. Switched to an A7R III which you say its a bad video camera... Go check your vision man!

The one I recommend is $90 ?

As the former owner of a GH5, I must say, the tiltable screen was not very usable for me. 1) When you tilt it, the sun reflects directly off of it, so it's unviewable. 2) To tilt it up, you have to flip it out, and when you do that, it makes reaching the lens focus ring with your left hand almost impossible. You have to go under the camera, which is extremely awkward. I would have much preferred the Sony design, where it tilts without swinging out. The screen was a big factor in me buying the GH5, and I was wildly disappointed.

I never realized how much @Andrew Reid hates Sony Cameras ?

He loves hard but not long. Hope this relationship lasts longer than his love affair with Panasonic!

The idea of M43 being the testing ground for these kinds of things is kinda exciting and confirms what I, and others, thought about Panasonic using the system to lead the way when it comes to features. For some Full Frame will always be king, but if they can keep M43 small and innovative my interest in the system will remain. Give me the benefits of the smaller sensor, please!

I do. He slaps a film convert preset on them that makes all colors orange and thinks it looks cinematic in slow motion. Well, it doesn't and it looks awful.

Are you kidding me? The Canon image has her face in shadow and uses one source of indirect lighting from the left, sun seems to be on the right illuminating her hair. It's also at an angle that is flattering to her face. The Sony image has sun sources directly in front of her face, with a green bounce coming off the grass from in front of her. It's shot straight on. If anyone on this site besides you put up that original post they would have gotten raked over hot coals for it. Probably by you.

I think people are confusing f-stops and t-stops. The f-stops--the physical size of the lens opening--are the same. They have not changed them. The t-stops--the objective amount of light being transmitted through that opening--are less, due to the lack of coatings.

Hey everyone. I built out my BMPCC4K exactly like this Only difference was that I am using an AndyCine A6 which worked perfectly with my XT3, but will not cooperate with my P4K! I will get just a solid blue screen and nothing else. As anyone ever experienced this, or have a fix? Or do I just need a new monitor? I have my entire build done and It is super comfortable, just really useless and frustrating that my monitor won't cooperate

Thanks, it was shot with the NX1. It was the 1.33x with a simple step down ring.

Buddy, in a couple of decades, I see you posting your rants here against the youngsters who don't understand how Osmo X or iPhone XXX can shine in and to their pockets... ; -)

Thanks for sharing, @Emanuel. From what I see, this guy is a colorist (and a DP), so he definitely knows how to make things shine..

I was joking man... The thing is serious though : ( Got the chance to go political. The world is in danger. People and planet suffer in their hands, count on it. No time to be silent : ) @The ghost of squig @Ed_David @heart0less Your post made me to remind of these ones here from same source going along a beautiful combo with Mavic Pro II too (Fujifilm's CS is my 2nd choice to follow Blackmagic BTW):

So true. If Sony lays an egg with the a7s3 I’m picking up a S1. If the s3 really drops with a quad bayer sensor and competitive video specs that’s another story. But I don’t believe Sony will ever spec a hybrid body like the S1, that treads too far into FS5 territory. As long as people keep gobbling up 8-bit bodies, Sony will keep producing them. Look at how long it took them to drop AVCHD or unlock true uncompressed raw stills. IMO, like every Sony release, they will wow with a new sensor and show off the amazing AF because that’s what will get them tons of coverage and blogger love from the shills. But the crowd here will be disappointed by the gotchas. I’d love to be wrong, but I’m keeping expectations low. chris

Dropbox is roughly around that price, too. Google Drive though works well, and though it says you have a 2 TB limit I believe they don't actually enforce it. I have both, since a lot of people I work with use Dropbox and it's easier for them to use.

We're not comparing the same thing here anymore. The Z7 and S1H are not in the same range because they are targeted to very different consumers. The S1H, as of now, has no Nikon counterpart. S1 = A7III, Z6, EOS R (but is vastly superior to all of those IMO, so is really playing in a field by itself). S1r = A7rIV, Nikon Z7. No Canon equivalent yet, but seemingly soon. S1H = A7sIII (if it is ever released). No Nikon and Canon equivalent. The S1H, when released, will really be one of a kind. It sits somewhere between the best mirrorless video cameras (S1, XT3) and the smaller cinema cameras (EVA-1, C200). Depending on what it has inside (things like raw or NDs), will dictate how much closer it is to a really inexpensive cinema camera or a more expensive mirrorless camera. From the looks of it, it looks like Panasonic is going for a (relatively) inexpensive cinema camera.

Have both and yep! They work great together. The S1 has an ASP-C crop mode and when the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 or 50-100mm f1.8 are attached, the S1 automatically detects them and punches into the 1.5x crop. The nice thing about this setup is that the field of view is the same on 24fps and 60fps (since the 4K 60fps has the same crop). Plus the Sigma 18-35mm is still just one of the best lenses ever. And with the S1's stabilization, it's a very versatile lens.

@Video Hummus that does look pretty slick... but I assume it’s fairly pricey? That looks pretty cool... I wonder how it handles sandy conditions.

It’s not out yet, but the Peak design travel Tripod looks very nice if you are going to be lugging it around. Very slim profile and some nifty features.

It really needs a punch in to focus option while recording. Other than that I want one haha. Honestly Panasonic seems to be the first to really get it right for these compressed H264 cameras.

I saw this news. Really sad.

I just bought an FS7 and as I mentioned in the thread I started about it, the skin tones SOOC are vastly inferior to what I effortlessly get out of my Canons. Thankfully though the beefy 600mbps 10-bit 422 XAVC-I codec makes up for it and grading has never been easier. Slight temperature/tint adjustment. Throw down the Venice LUT and I'm in the zone. Still that's an extra node or two (times as many clips as you have). The FS5 mk II sole and unique "upgrade" (more like a fix) was the Venice CS. That kinda says a lot about Sony CS! To be fair though, a lot has been improved since A7S2. We're still nowhere near CaNikon/Fuji CS but things are more neutral now. Canon does have some kind of magic sauce when it comes to skin tones & red signal. It just really pops. Seem to remember it has to do with how the RGB is processed.. The original 5D for stills and 1DC / C100 / 5D3ML for video are still my favourite Canons when it comes to CS. Leica CS (pre-M10) is yet in another league imho.

Here's about the best I could do, took around 5 mins. most of which was opening it up in camera raw, then Photoshop, then exporting as a jpeg and bringing it into resolve. However this test was clearly botched af my cousin shoots fashion on an old A7ii and he can make skin look pretty good imo https://www.anthonyjudge.com/cream-collection This was around 175 shots but only 6 made it into the magazine. I plan to film his next big shoot, so atleast then I can see how the a7ii's color will compare to my FS5's. I'm no photographer but 700 shots from a portrait session with a single model is asinine, unless its your girlfriend/wife. I'm getting more into Slog 2 now, unlike the Sony alpha cameras WB in slog2/3 is locked to 3 presets, 3200, 4400, and 5500K I believe. Alister C said its bc " The main reason is to ensure you get the cameras full dynamic range in each colour." I wonder why Alpha bodies don't lock the WB.

Here is my grade. Took me 3-4 min more for than my regular workflow. Have no preference in terms of color / color science between Canon and Sony.

Seems to me you have to work quite hard with that Sony image in post to make it look that bad.

I think I might go back to Film Convert Pro, I had it on Premiere Pro and it was pretty good. The official Slog 2 conversion luts from Sony are absolute booty trash I really don't like the color EOSHD gives off.. Prob use this for my Slog stuff and HLG 2 for quick turnaround.

I am not familiar with that at all. I will have to look into it. Not than I could afford one of their cameras that shoot it. ?

On some Canons you can choose between the old and the new color in the menu for C-log. With Raw stills they have been very consistent. Shooting for example the 5D classic side by side with the 6Dmkii it's close enough that most wouldn't be able to tell them apart. BTW, you don't even have to be +70 to have been shooting ancient Canons professionally. Could be interesting to have an age poll because it seems to me that many here are old enough to remember the time before the DSLR revolution.

At this point, any camera that can do internal/external raw and have variable NDs inside will be worth the money. Yes, a lot of people use mirrorless cameras because they are cheaper and more affordable (and there are a ton of options for those users). But I also think there are plenty of people who would buy an S1H-sized camera for $6k+ if it included internal raw, internal NDs, timecode out, and all the nice EVA-1 codecs. No need to cannibalize other cameras - just charge more and they both make money no matter which one people buy. I'm guessing you would see a lot of independent doc filmmakers, journalists, traveling cinematographers, etc picking up the mirrorless-sized version. I know I would personally love this.

@Andrew Reid, some little observations: The write speed on the Z6 on the card is 240 MB/sec max and not 500 MB/sec as you imply: https://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/nikon-z6/fastest-xqd-cards/ The Z6 camera is now listed at BH at $1,796.95 instead or the $1,996.95 original price: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1431706-REG/nikon_1595_z6_mirrorless_digital_camera.html?sts=pi&pim=Y I see no 30-40% reduction of the original price. The lenses cost the same as on launch day: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1431709-REG/nikon_20081_nikkor_z_35mm_f_1_8.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1431708-REG/nikon_20072_nikkor_z_24_70mm_f_4.html Nikon announced in April 4 2019 that we shall see eye AF in one firmware update (we got that in May) and the external RAW recording later in the year: https://www.nikonusa.com/en/about-nikon/press-room/press-release/jp1hlujr/Nikon-Brings-Powerful-Cinematic-Solutions-to-NAB®-2019-With-Z-Series-Cameras-and-MRMC-Broadcast-Automation-.html That's just 3+ months ago (not 6 months as you have written); patience is a virtue.

So, my brother has a channel of his kid playing the ABC's game. The little guy is obsessed with the alphabet and he's a charming good natured kid. So, bro started making videos with his son everytime the little guy wanted to play with his letters. At the end of a year they had made about 150 vids. Somehow the YT algorithm, or an influencer, smiled on their little channel and overnight their subscription rate went from 25 people to 75K; still growing. He turned on the monetize option and just received a check this month for $2K. My bro is a blue collar dude and scrapes by. This is like hitting the lottery a little bit. He puts in the work, sure, but he and his son both love it and they're getting paid for it now. He's making more videos than I do. And, if I'm being honest, they're more engaging than the dry corporate shit I usually do for pay. And, with the extra income he can actually pay a few bills on time for a change. OTOH, I'm an old creative and working under the traditional distribution model of filmmaking. My wife and I have tanked about 35K of our own cash into our latest documentary and we've made, maybe, 5K of that back. So, brave new world, y'all.

Well, someone on the Leica forum has an MC-21 and put the latest 3.5 firmware update on his SL and.... It looks like they weren't kidding then. What a fucking downer that is.