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Quick test of the Tamron 45mm 1.8. Great close focus and interesting separation.

I think you are too fixated on having an ACTUAL robot to the filming. We aren't going to need to have robot filming/photography to be disruptive. The disruption will come from both hardware and software. Imagine AI software that allow you to import all the video and images and it will analyze all the scenes, generated multiple draft of final edited video with music, transitions, title. It will be able to copy another videographer's editing style and apply to your videos. This combined with affordable camera and useful features such as DPAF & affordable gimbal will allow any weekend warriors to do videography as a side hustle and undercharge the full timers. If I spend 10 hours shooting and the software will take care the rest, I have no problem charging less. I have work with alot of wedding videographers and have seen alot of the final edit. The videos are very generic and formulaic. I would have no problem doing it myself as a weekend warrior let alone a sophisticated AI software. I would definitely raised the bar even though I mostly shoot stills. I think you are underestimating the combination of human operator and sophisticated AI software able to produce quality works and undercut the competitions. I can definitely see the perfect storm happening when the recession hit and even people with 4 years degree unable to find a job (there alot!), people sick of working for min wage, job loss from automation (automated car, factory worker, job taken away from robot) and so many affordable quality gears (imagine DJI Osmo Pocket Pro version with bigger sensor sub $1000, mic, LED light ), sophisticated AI software that cut significant editing time and plenty of free and premium education out there. The quality will rise significantly while the pricing goes down.

The issue this video covers was already mentioned in several topics, but I promised a video explanation and fixes, so here it is. Beware: long, boring, bad English.

Yep, all of this. It doesn't mean actual robots will film weddings. It means AI will seep into the industry and have a trickle down effect. An accelerated version of what's already happened with cheap hardware and saturated talent. I'm 34, but I've been on forums like these long enough to learn about what the generation prior to mine were able to charge. The rates for basic talking head clips blew my mind! But you could do it, back in the day. And frankly, the quality was trash. A lot of those folks washed out because they could no longer command the same rates as the younger crowd, and they got blown out of the water by people with actual artistic sensibilities. You have to stay ahead of this game, or it will eat you up. And hell yes weddings are formulaic. The videos, the photos, everything. Anyone saying otherwise is full of shit. I've produced enough of em'. I've seen enough from people all over Canada and the US. Slow motion walking through the trees and kissing to some goddamn Tony Anderson song. Seen it, x1000. AI can and will whip those up, and weekend warriors will undercut, and people WILL laugh at the old rates, cause they don't have to pay them. The wedding industry preys on the idea that weddings are expensive, and people should expect to pay alot. Photo/video has benefited from this for years.

Glad I never sold my 2009 unit. Still in mint condition as always... Solid as a tank. With ML that became a new motion picture capture device aliasing free: https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=23632.0

As long as they're letting us know it's in beta I'm fine with Blackmagic doing it cause I can decide whether or not to download it. Adobe? Not so much.

Any updates on this project? Maybe ML can unlock the true potential of this camera?

So, this thread has been on my mind, but being that I'm an introvert who mostly doesn't leave the house, and also that my family aren't interested in being on-camera and neither am I, I've struggled to think of cool ideas for this challenge. The reason that I've been trying to push myself to do more stuff like this is that if you practice when it doesn't matter, you will be better for when you're on a real shoot and it does matter. When I was doing stills photography I joined some photography Meetup groups, and that was really cool, but there aren't equivalent groups for film-making. This video is interesting, talking about how to train as a film-maker, listing a number of 'drills': TLDR: Practice setting up your camera rig, which helps with making sure you can do it quickly and don't forget things Mess up your camera settings deliberately then practice setting them all back to normal Practice manual focus, even if you use AF most of the time, MF is still something you probably need occasionally Practice moving shots, especially if you're hand-held or using a gimbal, but sliders and tripod moves too Practice going into new locations and finding compositions Same as above for lighting Get some work and do it, even if you're working for free it's great because there aren't high expectations, but weddings are also great because you have to do everything well and also quickly Sports people train to get better, so why wouldn't you do that as a film-maker... an hour a day would really help Interesting list of things, with an emphasis on speed (IIRC Matti has a documentary background so he talked about needing to work quickly) which can only be a useful skill.

I'm in the same age bracket. Great mind think alike ha! Years ago you can make a career just by taking decent SOOC exposure from film. With the invention of DSLR, taking decent SOOC isn't enough. Recent tech even make things even more easier now with eyeAF tracking, and EVF allowing WYSIYG. Now we have animal tracking. Alot of niche of photography are very difficult to make money now as a career that was once a viable career (journalist, magazine photographer). Technology won't replace cream of the crop photographer/videographer with good marketing, but it does enough damage to low and midtier market where most of the clients are. None of the stuff I've seen are that impressive for me to be so naive it can't be imitate or duplicate by sophicate AI software, basic human operator, readily available quality education, and affordable gears.

Naw, there will always be reach families who will pay $5000 because it's peanuts to them. Tons and tons of those couples in Vancouver and by the looks of it, DC as well. You're right about the majority, though. Most won't pay for anything extravagant with their wedding, and if they do, video is routinely the last priority. I worked for a guy who offered DJ, photo, event planning, photobooth, and he said video was always bottom of the bucket. BUT, I've also seen it routinely listed in articles as the thing couples regret not doing the most. The key is, you have to get really goddamn good, and then you can have a pretty comfortable living in the high end market. But that will only happen in a big city with ample rich people. Otherwise, work for peanuts.

dont be down! screw them! fwiw, i dont know ONE single person who has ever brought up dpreview to me in real life. not one time, ever ?

Now being interested, I visited dpreview site with great curiosity and without prejudice, and made three main personal, of course ingenious, conclusions: 1) out of web-business matter (about which I have zero competency) you really have full right to stay with smile high above and to be proud on superior look and feel of EOSHD - dpreview is so cluttered with all-over-the-place advertising messages that so obviously eat space for exchanging information and free communication: in comparison to EOSHD, visitor there inevitably has to have feeling of being squeezed in auxiliary rooms (contrary, here, not at least as side-curative effect, members have so clean, reverberating space for intoxicated listening of themselves when easily calling similar enthusiasts as clowns, idiots etc.) Simply, it is hard to stay at Dpreview too long and not to be either bored or afraid of too well-known supermarket claustrophobia 2) being so intrusively obliged to sponsors and so-so trying to find impossible balance between two contradictory, mutually exclusive tasks (serving as unbiased discussion portal under the permanent rafal of persuading ads and enumeration voting) - psychologically it is very hard to owner(s) of dpreview not to hear some inner voices of restless bad-conscience against character of purity of EOSHD, especially if once upon a time you knew each other or started from similar idealistic roots... so 3) I'd say owner(s) of dpreview simply envy you (At least, I'd surely envy if I'm in his/their place, and if I'm not so notorious, hopelessly ignorant clown :)

I enjoy Chris and Jordan's videos. I think overall they do a good job reviewing cameras, are honest in their reviews, and I've found that when using cameras they've reviewed I come to a lot (but not all) of the same conclusions. I don't really go to DPReview's main site and skip their other YouTube content, but I enjoy Chris and Jordan. There are also, I think, substantially more users there. Which is why Andrew is frustrated; his links being censored there harms his traffic and, frankly, deprives readers access to more knowledge.

I have my eye on their E2 F6 (the full frame 6K variant) so I've been following developments in their facebook group. Took some time to grade new footage from their original m43 E2 and I gotta say, it's pretty good. I had to denoise some shots and they didn't clean up as well as my EVA1 does -- probably because my EVA1's noise is finer and tight, not "clumpy". but still, based on one of their engineers saying that the F6 will be their best performing (in terms of noise) I've got my fingers firmly crossed that it will be the "vistavision" cinema camera I've been longing for... and only $5,000. Here's that E2 footage I took a stab at grading. The last shot of the girl with the camera is my fav. Skin tones and highlight roll-off work for me.

So literally everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt. This camera was SOOOO beta it was ridiculous. Totally a prototype...not even a demo unit. The camera got hot after shooting with it but never overheated. No idea on recording times...never ran into a cutoff but we didnt run it past 5 minutes to save on file size. No IBIS or stabilization to come that I know of....

Shot externally with an Atomos in HLG 10bit mode (higher bitrate than internal) Looks pretty good to me, and a hint of what the internal codec upgrade will look like. I also feel for a promo film it's above average, a very simple story but effective. A bit sentimental of course, and not perfect attention to detail in some shots, but it works. I hope one day when I hear a piece of music it will remind me of the Panasonic S1, when I was young enough to shoot stuff and not too old and crippled to use a camera

This is the official start (and maybe quick death!) of the...... 3 Hour 1 Minute Film Challenge!!!1 The rules: You setup, shoot, edit, and upload a film in a single 3-hour period - no gaps, once you start the timer you can't stop it again The final film must be 1 minute or less If your finished film looks too good then others can challenge you about the 3-hour time limit and you must explain yourself to keep your reputation in tact There are no prizes, no timeframes, and no judging Everyone that makes a film and publishes it is a winner, people that don't try are losers, and people that try but fail should learn from their mistakes and just try again There are no more rules FAQ: Can I plan things in advance? Yes. What limits are there for budget, cast size, crew size, and number of otters making cameos? None. Why are you doing this? Why not? No, really.. why? We learn by trying new things, finishing and sharing them. Too many people obsess over tiny things and never get anything done. This challenge is designed to combat that. What advice do you have? You can be an extra special winner if you: Publish in 720p - equipment shouldn't matter and if your film looks dull in 720 then 4K will not save you Try new things and experiment - think of this as going to the gym for film-makers where you can push yourself to learn and if it fails then who cares (it was only 3 hours right?) Encourage others by being helpful and supportive Have cameos from otters Film a timelapse as a BTS so others can see how you did it - an action camera is a good choice for this* (* if you wear it on your person, please remember to turn it off when you visit the bathroom) Invite friends over to help Focus on having fun and enjoying the process (having so much fun you didn't finish the film in time is also a kind of winning) Call your mother (after you've hit upload) It sounds like fun but I don't know where to start? Set a timer for 1-hour, plan the video, when the timer runs out, reset it and shoot, when the timer runs out, reset it for 45 minutes and edit, when the timer runs out hit export, then upload. Then have lunch, put in a fresh battery and SD card, then start the timer again.... I look forward to seeing the first films posted below in about 3 hours time.

Andrew Reids LUTs and in camera profile seem like a good option.

I don't know if a camera can perform well at 25,000 iso I think low light king is worthy or at least low light prince ?

I agree with @webrunner5 the BM wins by a big stretch. That being said, its still pretty good for 2009. I remember being blown away by ML RAW on it when it became available.

The biggest difference is the 5D2 is free for @Emanuel so it’s a win-win. Download ML and have a blast shooting FF Raw.

I contacted B&H and Sigma, they both mentioned US release date to be end of April/May 1st.

Samsung A9 has 4 camera in it - wide angle f2.4, telephoto f2.4, 24 mpx 1.7 primary sensor, and depth camera. I think eventually we would get something like DJI Osmo Pocket Pro/2 with 1" sensor that's affordable and good enough even in low light and most circumstances.

I used to take my GH2/GH4 pretty religiously on any excursion, but I pretty much exclusively use my phone now. Ever since I found out it could shoot raw and I could use the lightroom app. In good light, it's really not far off from the GH4. I do miss the lack of zoom at times, but convenience can't be beat.

Indeed it is terrifying at how good the camera phone can be when there is enough light. I was using my X-H1 with the mitakon .95 lens to do a portrait and also used the the iphone XS... Oh man, I was blown away at how close they could be. Hell, I was really sad and excited. Cellphone cameras have come a long way!!

Yeah I think there is a camera or two that does have a real optical zoom in it. They have the potential to use Folded Optics to make it happen. The new phones now have at least 3 lenses in them now one of them has 6 lenses now. And rumor has the iPhone 11 will 3 also. So that would cover, other than Really long stuff, most of what people really need. They are getting better quicker than real cameras are that is for sure. On my way to Florida I had my iPhone and my Nikon D2Xs with a 18-105mm on it on the front seat and I went for for iPhone 90% of the time because I could just do the Drive By Shooting thing one handed with it a Lot more easier than the Nikon. Now when I got out of my truck and went to say the beach I took the Nikon. But I would have only taken say 100 pictures on the way down compared to probably 400 or more I did with the Phone. Sure it is spray and pray but still it was a whole lot better than No shots. My target audience, my Mom, and family, and Facebook, is not going to scrutinize every shot I post. They are excited to see my adventure, and to be envious of me in Florida while they were freezing their ass off on Ohio lol. I have the iPhone XS and it can do better than most people think. Here is a link to Flicker, and there is some pretty damn good stuff on there. That Smart DR they have in them is pretty amazing I think. It is Way better than my iPhone X I had before it. https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=iPhone XS It is like this shot on there. You could not have done that with a phone 2 or 3 years ago. That has some pretty good DR in it. Or who would have thought you could just go out and do this with a phone. The average person is going to be impressed, and that is what counts. That is who goes to movies, not just perfectionists.

You are using copyrighted music. I stopped watching right away.

I love Canon outcome no matter what : ) Well, no less any BMD ; -)

To me the PK4 wins by a pretty good amount. Even the colors are better. Amazing camera the PK4 if you are going for the modern look. At the time I thought the Canon Color Science was the Cats Ass. Now it looks pretty dated. Even Canon realized it as their newer bodies are way better CS wise. I think the C series Cine cameras still have that great look for older cameras like the C300, 100, 1DC. Even the 5D mk III was a better change CS wise. But I still sort of hold a original C100, C300 as a pretty amazing baseline to aim for. I didn't seem to like the C100 mk II CS as much. But it is probably more realistic, so in the long run better. Now things are a lot more saturated, good or bad. I think for the good, I have got used to it. Olympus, Fuji were were ahead of the times lol.

Do any cellphones have zooms at this point? My Galaxy S8 doesn't. That's currently the big achilles heel, I think. You're stuck on a wide shot, which admittedly looks good in bright low. Doubtful it's gonna cut it during most low light receptions. Hell, my old boss used to send me his cell phone clips to use in edits and they looked terrible once the lights went down. No one likes any camera shoved in their face, for the most part. Unless they're drunk. That's why longer lenses are so handy for stealthily sniping shots at receptions.

Highlights seem to be blown out in every shot. Panasonic should pay this guy to Prevent this video from being seen by anyone.

Here's more footage from customary sources. WOW these guys monetize anything... Now, even licensed scores LOL : -) That said, I'd rather have better colour science. Let's keep it in mind it is still a prototype. Resolution seems interesting for extreme detail landscape wide shots for post abilities potentiality all included, though : ) As someone already said, it is sharp, at least : -D

yes, and it is a full hdmi out lol, it however, when connected, will disable the screen on the eos m the hdmi out displays ML menus too. superb!

Me too, is everyone in this thread (aside from webrunner :-P ) aged 34? Yup, back in the film days just getting decent exposure and focus required a reasonable amount of skill. Far more than is needed today! Relatively speaking

Had the Laowa 7.5 mm f2.0, a great lens for the money.

OUCH! Who knows what damage control really means, unfortunately for some large companies it just means marketing rather than actually fixing the problems. Depending on how difficult it would be to fix various bugs, the Return On Investment (ROI) of just advertising more might be better than the ROI of working out what problems people have, diagnosing the problems, fixing the issues, then having to do the PR to make people aware that things are better. I remember reading somewhere that those companies that used to advertise products on TV in the 80s (like those silver spray-on paint stuff that would stop leaks) basically didn't work and they made money because people couldn't be bothered to return the product. Unfortunately economics sometimes works out in rather disheartening ways. I'm waiting for 16 to come out of beta and then start using the new page to get some edits done. Creating an assembly is the bottleneck of my whole workflow and is the part I dread and stops me from being productive.

Seems totally counter-productive to me. Despite their best efforts - reviews of camera's video capabilities and recruitment of Jordan Drake - the site is still pretty much exclusively focused on 'stills'. The specialist video forum is pretty much deserted. They could do with interaction with a specialist video site.

Good luck with the sale. Some really nice stuff there.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?303559-Measuring-rolling-shutter-put-a-number-on-this-issue! my opinion is that the C200 is kinda of lost in translation. I use it many times per year because I am renting it very cheap from a friend, but if it isn t available I prefer the C100mkII for 1080p and the C300mkII for higher end projects.

That may be the case, but know what? Most likely they won't announce any new APS-C lens to accompany it. In 3-years time they released 3 APS-C bodies and only one lens meant for them (18-135/3.5-5.6 so I'm not even sure we can count it).. If it wasn't for Sigma, all the a6000s wouldn't be that popular.

I've shot tonnes of weddings, and I've also studied CompSci in my degree (even went so far as to start a Masters in Computer Science, but never finished it) plus I'm a bit time A.I. geek. My view is that robotic AI cameras/software won't replace humans filming weddings in the near future, but could it happen in my life time... ? I'm reasonably skeptical it could happen during my working life, but also it still is a very real possibility that I could easily imagine happening, especially in the low/mid range weddings. At the very least it could lead to a three person crew being replaced with just one person and the editing being almost totally automated.

Lol! I was totally color blind in that comparison video. Did a terrible job matching everything

So true. XC10 is a good camera (within its own limits, like any other gear). And when those two clowns (Chris and Jordan) were engaged to make "reviews" for DPR, I stopped to follow the site. (I should have done that earlier, however.) From @Andrew Reid to them, a clear path of decline. Now DRP is just in business of marketing newest gear.

@noone I’ve never used a TS lens but they sound pretty cool. That clear zoom function must be so useful. In FF, I could totally get by with one lens... a fast 28mm would give me everything I need.

Thanks. I am pretty sure that once I decide to sell all my Sony gear and spend big $$$ going Fuji, then Sony will release an aps-c camera with 10-bit 4:2:2 60fps 4K just to spite me.

Just curious... if you could have only one lens... what lens would it be? I guess based on what I own now, I’d have to choose tha Canon 28mm 1.8. At the risk of sounding corny, this lens always shows me how I’d really like to see the world. It finds the beauty and character in the mundane...

On the other hand the Nikon Z 50mm F1.8 is actually surprisingly not boring. I am quite enjoying using it. Very good AF in video mode too. Nikon gave up altogether giving the F0.95 autofocus, I see. It's going to be a tank, that tanks sales wise as well. It makes the RF 50 1.2 look balanced in terms of size. The new Voigtlander 50mm F1.2 Asph is the best rendering and best overall performing smallest, highest 50mm F1.2 on the market right now. In stills mode that can be autofocuses on the Techart adapter on E-mount, and soon on Z mount too. The AF is fast, and moves entire lens, so optically that is superior to moving just one element. I find it very practical and don't mind the few MM the lens moves during use. Hand doesn't block the movement even when cradling the lens. I wish Canon would do a smaller softer 50mm F1.2 with more vignetting, and internal focussing elements, no larger than existing EF version, but I guess the pixel peepers would be up and arms about it.

So is Canon Raw on EOSR already out? LOL only fools would have believed that, I can't understand how people, more so adult, can be dupe that easily. Its been like 8 years people are wishing and wishing on Canon to do XYZ, to come out with something out-breaking. And every time they just come out frustrated. If you can't understand simple economic principle, that Canon won't jeopardize their Cine line for their DSLR line, you just deserve to be duped. You either move to their Cine line or you have other Manufacturers from Nikon to Black magic etc that are doing so much more.

TVC for Mc Donalds with the Bolex on the Terra 4K.

This topic should be sticky! Great challenge! I'm already planning the shoot in my head. Probably won't be able to grade it - so better shoot in B&W