Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 The new 5DSr review on The Camera Store is shot on the XC10 and a little review at the end. Nothing new, except for a one important point they brought up, he says the grip is not comfortable because there's no space for the fingers between the lens and grip, no clearance, is that true for any one who used it? Closer to the body than say a Rebel grip to the body? That would be a 'very important design flaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 31, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted July 31, 2015 The new 5DSr review on The Camera Store is shot on the XC10 and a little review at the end. Nothing new, except for a one important point they brought up, he says the grip is not comfortable because there's no space for the fingers between the lens and grip, no clearance, is that true for any one who used it? Closer to the body than say a Rebel grip to the body? That would be a 'very important design flaw. Seems like the ergonomics of the XC10 were done by Canon's new junior team or something. The grip isn't the only problem. It has no ISO button! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Footage from the cx10 on the camera store tv's video I thought looked pretty bad, but they hardly even talked about it. Weird mushy contrast and clipping. Maybe it was the grade or because I didn't watch at the full resolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 There's a few simple design tweaks that would make it a very ergonomic camera, like making the screen fully articulating, having the same 5D button configuration on the grip but rotatable (4 buttons fit there easily and 2 dials on the 5D grip and the three on the XC10 body would be perfect), and just give it the C100 or 5D menus, why a new UI. Plus the Loup should have been made similar to Zucoto's and can flip up and be locked up. Very simple tweaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Portas Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 A click of the "joystick" opens the quick function menu, which is customisable. There you can have the ISO in spot number one.To leave the menu is not as tricky as Digitalrev made it out to be. Just double click menu.Also one can record from the fn menu. Not as good as not having an ISO button but maybe not the end of the world either. Thanks Mattias, not a complete hassle I see. Problem is Canon have accustomed me to their dedicated ISO button! Footage from the cx10 on the camera store tv's video I thought looked pretty bad, but they hardly even talked about it. Weird mushy contrast and clipping. Maybe it was the grade or because I didn't watch at the full resolutionYou thought so? I just saw it and it looked much warmer, punchier, than their previous episodesrecorded with either Sony or Panasonic cameras. The skin-tone difference is enormous. The host's skin looks much better in this review.The greenery looked nice. Not Lord of the Rings sharp, but really clear. (I did notice huge CA when they do a tilt-shot with the big trees in the woods)So another case of Canon colours on the XC10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 31, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted July 31, 2015 What's so god damned hard about a dedicated ISO button though????? hmcindie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted July 31, 2015 Super Members Share Posted July 31, 2015 Got of early from work today and had a quick play. Will have footage up within an hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docmoore Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Got of early from work today and had a quick play. Will have footage up within an hour. HURRY!!!!!!Trying to avoid a C300 purchase ... or PMW-F3. Color color color.Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 HURRY!!!!!!Trying to avoid a C300 purchase ... or PMW-F3. Color color color.BobWait. You'd buy this over a C300? @Mattias : I guess you have it on a try & return basis? Or did you really felt you needed to have this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted July 31, 2015 Super Members Share Posted July 31, 2015 Wait. You'd buy this over a C300? @Mattias : I guess you have it on a try & return basis? Or did you really felt you needed to have this?Try&return but its looking like i will keep it. Have been so close to buying a XA20 or Xf100 for years now. Love the HMC151 I borrow from work every know and then. Here is a test from today, I had zero time for grading so I just used some of my presets. No time for a Tripod either.. No keying or power windows.So it is what it is docmoore, Cinegain, mercer and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Your dog looking at that sandwich is gold. Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted July 31, 2015 Super Members Share Posted July 31, 2015 Your dog looking at that sandwich is gold.And the dude just chilled why I filmed him. Great feature of a small nonthreatening camera with decent focal lengths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Lol, that's true.Well, cool of you to share your findings and footage here! I'm hoping it's everything what you need it to be (just afraid it's not exactly my cup of tea, but I encourage diversity!). Mattias Burling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Regardless, there's a difference between the look of a display without perfect black levels and grading your video so badly that black becomes middle grey.True though grading blacks grey started with the advent of LCD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 True though grading blacks grey started with the advent of LCD's. Um...no... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The original comment that started this milky black, grey conversation was started because I said I loved one of the earlier video samples from this camera that was intentionally graded to look like vintage film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Deep crushed 100% blacks look video-ish to me, raised blacks look too instagram-ish to me, in-between is adequate, but more towards black than gray, say in a scale from 0 black to 100 grey, somewhere 40. It's a precise point you need to find YOURSELF for you TASTE. There's an egyptian saying that goes something like: if it weren't for the variety of people tastes, no product would be sold. It ryhmes on Arabic though soooo, XC10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRenaissanceMan Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Deep crushed 100% blacks look video-ish to me, raised blacks look too instagram-ish to me, in-between is adequate, but more towards black than gray, say in a scale from 0 black to 100 grey, somewhere 40. It's a precise point you need to find YOURSELF for you TASTE. There's an egyptian saying that goes something like: if it weren't for the variety of people tastes, no product would be sold. It ryhmes on Arabic though soooo, XC10?...what?Crushed "blacker than black" is an important part of the film look. When the light falls off in film, it drops off fast and hard into inky blackness. Go watch any great movie shot on film and you'll see what I'm talking about. Murky grey-black screams hipster video, and "don't crush the shadows" has always been a broadcast mantra with nothing at all to do with narrative filmmaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Did I say anything about negative film? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudopera Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Deep crushed 100% blacks look video-ish to me, raised blacks look too instagram-ish to me, in-between is adequate, but more towards black than gray, say in a scale from 0 black to 100 grey, somewhere 40. It's a precise point you need to find YOURSELF for you TASTE. There's an egyptian saying that goes something like: if it weren't for the variety of people tastes, no product would be sold. It ryhmes on Arabic though soooo, XC10?...what?Crushed "blacker than black" is an important part of the film look. When the light falls off in film, it drops off fast and hard into inky blackness. Go watch any great movie shot on film and you'll see what I'm talking about. Murky grey-black screams hipster video, and "don't crush the shadows" has always been a broadcast mantra with nothing at all to do with narrative filmmaking. I believe you are both on the same page here really... I think Ebrahim what you really think(correct me if I'm wrong) is that some people tend to crush not just deepest blacks but shadows also so they lose all information in shadows and that looks like crap. I agree that the deepest blacks are mostly crushed in movies but the shadows are just pulled down a little to obtain more contrast but not so much to loose all information, what is the point in high dynamic range then if you throw away all that information in the grade. vaga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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