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Andrew Reid

Posted 20 August 2013 - 01:16 PM

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http://vimeo.com/72605257

Magic Lantern's raw recording module for the 7D is a perfect illustration of why colour depth and dynamic range are more important than resolution.

It's also a huge step up for Canon APS-C video shooters and free.

Read the full article here

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 01:49 PM

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Really nice footage!

 

I'm with you on the movie mode & never going back to H264.

It really does seem strange that none of the big firms have stepped up to produce something better & cheaper. If they are worried about their more expensive products, they shouldn't be, as pros will always buy stuff aimed at them & beginners/enthusiasts will go for the cheaper stuff to start off with. But this doesn't mean they can't give us something decent - hopefully the BM Pocket will shake stuff up just a tiny bit.  


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 02:36 PM

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If it wasn't clear already, I think the rapid progress with the 7D makes it clear that ML is getting backroom help from Canon. This looks great. It's pretty crazy that ALL of the Canon DSLRs have gotten a huge upgrade virtually overnight.

 

And nice shooting EOSHD, love the shots on the elevator.



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 02:52 PM

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If it wasn't clear already, I think the rapid progress with the 7D makes it clear that ML is getting backroom help from Canon.

 

Haha. Sadly not the case.



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 04:38 PM

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Yeah, Canon is weird. They have some strange corporate reason for making the choices that they do, and I doubt they're even liking the sales boost that ML have given to their products.



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 04:54 PM

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Great post. 

Once they get the live view running I'm in. 

Here in LA a 7D runs for about $800 used. 

 

I'm also curious to try ML on the many PL modded 7Ds about. 

 

Re the original H264 quality - I've shot many a major commercial with it!
We also never bothered with the VAF filter. :-) 



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:24 PM

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"I can never go back to an 8bit compressed H.264 based codec, especially not an implementation as bad as we find on most current DSLRs."

 

Wait, does this mean I should disregard your recent, glowing review of the G6 or stop reading your GH2 shooters guide I bought recently?

 

Also, obviously the 50D can't record audio (no mic)- do we think the 7D will ever be able to record an audio track while capturing raw? Can the Mark III do that?

 

That was one thing that had me bummed on my 50D and why I let it go; obviously not expecting to use it as my main audio, but a scratch track for syncing would be nice.



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:49 PM

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Very nice! You are right Color Gamut and Higher DR are indeed a better focus than resolution for lyrical narrative. The corporate and TVC shooters might disagree however.
I was a bit ticked at the Moire, aliasing and jello however. My HV20 using tape doesn't have tose issues ;)



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:58 PM

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Interesting comments about the EF 100mm f2.8 macro. I heard the 35mm f2 IS has a stiff focus ring as well. Shame as both lenses could be a unique video solution for some who want to maually focus.



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:58 PM

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I like the footage coming from the 7D, will someday 2.5K with hardware modification possible? who knows.

 

By the way... 2592 x 1156 with 1.5x anamorphic lens .. mmmm interesting. 



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:59 PM

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"I can never go back to an 8bit compressed H.264 based codec, especially not an implementation as bad as we find on most current DSLRs."

 

Wait, does this mean I should disregard your recent, glowing review of the G6 or stop reading your GH2 shooters guide I bought recently?

 

I think the G6/GH2 don't fall under the 'not an implementation as bad as we find on most current DSLRs' category :)


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 10:14 PM

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I'm selling my 7d body with a lcdvf if your in the New York area for $950 . Let me know anyone

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:54 AM

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"I can never go back to an 8bit compressed H.264 based codec, especially not an implementation as bad as we find on most current DSLRs."

 

"I can never go back to an 8bit compressed H.264 based codec, especially not an implementation as bad as we find on most current DSLRs."

 

Wait, does this mean I should disregard your recent, glowing review of the G6 or stop reading your GH2 shooters guide I bought recently?

 

 

 

So the G6 & GH2 are DSLR's?   Interesting,, interesting,, no wait,, that other thing,,,, complete crap..



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 08:58 AM

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Really love this little edit ! Like the transitions in movement and the quality of the footage.

 

 

"I can never go back to an 8bit compressed H.264 based codec, especially not an implementation as bad as we find on most current DSLRs."

 

Just few questions in relation to the above quote :

 

- How long did this edit take to you in comparaison with a "standard" edit ?

- Does the hard/long workflow of RAW shooting is profitable ?

 

No sound, no possibility to synchronise... I think it's smell good for future but in my opinion, the standard DSLR have still good days.

 

We work with a 5D mk II and make some institutional works (not funny...) and all clients are very impressed by the quality of the videos. So more quality is always good but for "humans", it's already very good.

 

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 09:24 AM

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"I can never go back to an 8bit compressed H.264 based codec, especially not an implementation as bad as we find on most current DSLRs."



So the G6 & GH2 are DSLR's? Interesting,, interesting,, no wait,, that other thing,,,, complete crap..

In the context of what we are talking about, which is "8bit compressed H.264 codec'-based cameras, then yes, the GH2 and G6 fall into the same category as most DSLRs. Call them whatever the hell you want, these two cameras absolutely are the kinds of cameras Andrew is talking about.
Or at least they could be. I believe Julian when he says they're not.
At least he's not a smartass about it.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:24 AM

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so let me clear about the native resolution each camera has. only 5D3 has cover the 1920 pixel horizontal in raw hack mode?

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:45 AM

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5d mkiii downsamples the full sensor (24mp)  to 1920x1280, but there is also a crop mode where you can get higher resolutions using the actual pixels but the resolution is limited to the speed you can get with your card.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 11:14 AM

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I'm gonna have to disagree about the focus of the 100mm f2.8L. Yes, it is a bit too fast at the teleside but when you get used to it...it starts working great. An awesome lens for filming.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:08 PM

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> The image responds beautifully and you can take it much closer to what your minds-eye and imagination expects from it

 

In my experience, RAW video is more natural, real.  It doesn't speak to your imagination, it speaks to your memory.  This is why so many people aren't jumping into RAW.  H.264 is a very nice, sharp and colorful image.  It's like sugar.  Who doesn't love sugar?  But I feel if anyone had a video of them shot for posterity, for their grand-children, and they had the choice between high resolution H.264 and lower resolution RAW they would go for the latter.  It would look like them.  It would capture their skin tones, the lighting.  The mood.

 

You have to work with both kinds of footage to see that realism.  Yes, if you're shooting a party, or need to work quickly, the Panasonic G-series cameras are fantastic.  They are very, very good at what they do.  But if you want 30 seconds of the most natural looking footage you can get, only RAW will get you there.  The guy above, selling his 7D.  He might want to look at this video first (not by me):

 

 

If that video was shot in H.264, it would have high contrast, many shadows black, and the brightness would look like it was shot in a sunnier day than it actually was.  



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 09:14 PM

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You forgot that the 7D has audio recording. Another advantage over the 50D . . .

 

I would also suspect that parallel processing will eventually allow it to record, at least, 2K RAW continuously . .. 






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