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3.5k Canon 5D Mark III raw video with Magic Lantern and latest updates

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[media]http://vimeo.com/65260452[/media]

These past days I have been trying to make myself useful to Alex at Magic Lantern and testing the DNG raw video recording on the 5D Mark III with a nightly build of Magic Lantern. Here's what the video quality looks like in the DNG video modes at 30fps.

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[url=http://www.eoshd.com/content/10294/3-5k-canon-5d-mark-iii-raw-video-with-magic-lantern-and-latest-updates]Read the full article here[/url]

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looks wobbly.. 

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The resolution is outstanding !

Looks really good, but why all the jello? 

How long can you record like this?

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Looks incredibly detailed. Definitely needing image stabilization in the lens to help with that jello. 

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"Power to the people"

:)

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Looks incredibly detailed. Definitely needing image stabilization in the lens to help with that jello. 

 

The jello is only like that in 3.5K mode with violent handheld work. The slow mo also makes it look worse than it actually is.

 

Yep IS would help for that.

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http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3455509

 

Do you remember seeing this rumor about the 7D2? "Video ‘stills burst’ mode 30/60 fps"

 

Do you think this would be a similar concept where Canon would offer a few seconds of high resolution video? Kind of like the GoPro3's 15fps 4K mode? 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they activated the feature on the 7D2, after all it already exists.

 

That's Canon.

 

They probably have the next 5 years features planned out, and will just turn them on in firmware :)

 

Does anyone else find it quite funny that an outside programming team have been able to deliver 30fps burst before Canon's own team delivered it to the market!?

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Magic Lantern, kicking ass and taking names! HOORAH!

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I've been trying to help out at Magic Lantern too.  I've been working with the 5D2.  Here is my test:  https://vimeo.com/65192979

 

Your article helped me understand the whole process a bit better.  I didn't know how to change the resolution settings (changing to jpg and 720p).  I'll try making all those adjustments next.  I thought I'd made a great discovery when I found that it worked with focus assist turned on!

 

As testers, what should our next step be?  I want to get this feature up and stable fast!

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I really don't understand why they play it so safe. They put a smart car governor on a formula 1 motor in almost every camera. I've got the same sensor, and the same processor the C500 has, in my C100....which means somewhere in there, is a little bastard algorithm that won't let me shoot raw. Lol

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I agree with above that's some crazy jello with the rolling shutter, and I wouldn't call that violent handheld work, just average motion, so even with a steadicam looks like it'll be evident. But yes, the other videos at lower res do fine, so there's still much to be seen with the progress here~

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Hey Andrew, instead of exporting the DNG sequence from After Effects in a Lossless quicktime and then bringing that in to Premiere, try the "Adobe Dynamic Link" feature in Premiere, just look for the AE project, and it will open up all the compositions from that project and just bring it in.  You'll save some disk space and any other changes you do in After Effects will be reflected in the composition that is now a clip in Premiere.  I know is weird that you can't import the DNG sequence directly to Premiere but somehow it reads all those files through After Effects.

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Hello, really good review..

 

So, what are your hopes about seeing a real 2K raw @24 fps? By real i mean not only 10 seconds of raw, but a continuous recording?

And if you think it can't happen, what is the maximum you think we'll can have (at least 1mn would be great)..

 

Have a nice day all!

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This situation is quite interesting. I wonder if this modifications can short the life of the cameras. Still, I would like to try it for myself, but I don't have idea where everybody is getting this new ML firmware? I can't find it in the main page.

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It is a strange development. But I understand why canon did not implement it. These bursts are interesting but not really workable for filmmaking.  Unless there will be a way to film as long as we want. This is just a nice effect.

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Can someone do a quick greenscreen test and post the DNGs? I'm curious how this footage keys.

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Not much has been said on the 5d II? I take it the inside tech of the mk III makes this more feasible?

 

Unfortunately alot of us are still on the 5d MK II as we didnt feel the need to upgrade to the Mk III. I wonder what the chances are of the Mk II doing everything the Mk III can? 

 

I guess my question is this still a possibility for 24fps RAW on the Mk II or has attention now been moved to the Mk III?

 

either way I would never buy a mk III  (from a filming perspective not photography) as thats money better spent on a BMC.

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Hey Andrew, instead of exporting the DNG sequence from After Effects in a Lossless quicktime and then bringing that in to Premiere, try the "Adobe Dynamic Link" feature in Premiere, just look for the AE project, and it will open up all the compositions from that project and just bring it in.  You'll save some disk space and any other changes you do in After Effects will be reflected in the composition that is now a clip in Premiere.  I know is weird that you can't import the DNG sequence directly to Premiere but somehow it reads all those files through After Effects.

 

The trouble with that is that it uses After Effects in the background for playback, not Premiere's engine, so you lose realtime playback most of the time.

 

 tried this with overlay graphics before, but in the end it's worse than just exporting a MOV!

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They probably have the next 5 years features planned out, and will just turn them on in firmware :)

I wonder which part of the "plan" was to lose both their pro/ama video film market to Black Magic?

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It is a strange development. But I understand why canon did not implement it. These bursts are interesting but not really workable for filmmaking.  Unless there will be a way to film as long as we want. This is just a nice effect.

I still don't get why they didn't give it 2x2 block read crop modes and even larger crop modes.

Or how they mangle the DR so badly when it seems well mapped in these DNGs or why they hit the crispness so badly before feeding it to the h.264 compressor (since the external compressor doesn't really make static stuff much any sharper we know it's not the h.264 compressor making the big hit).

 

If only we had full and detailed documentation we might be able to send the frame to the h.264 system before whatever weird stuff gets done to them and at least retain the full detail even if not the 11+ bits. Same for the HDMI out, just send each frame straight out ot the HDMI (with proper offsets to get it to 1920x1080), although again it might have to be clipped to 8bits (unless it is an HDMI 1.2 or better interface).

 

Even look at stills stuff, it's been more than a decade since the first EOS DSLR and we still don't have a fully usable AutoISO for stills on any Rebel/xxD/7/5 series body. They dribble such a little thing out year by year it's so absurdly picayune. The 5D3 is so close, but they lock out EC when in M mode AutoISO and in AV AutoISO they put an absurd limit, with no basis in anything other than marketing making it only work at the shutter speeds where AutoISO would be LEAST used, on the setting for minimum allowed shutter speed, 1/250th?? for action stuff which is when you need AutoISO since you don't have time to set things for each shot in real time?? Why? It takes until maybe the 5D4 or longer to get such a basic, trivial feature? DOesn't every other brand have working autoiso for stills even on Rebel-level stuff for years? Does anyone buy a 1 series just for a better AutoISO, it's absurd.

 

It is what happens when you have conservative leaders and marketing droids ruling over the engineers (who they probably have locked up in closets and cowering in corners) while the marketing MBAs lord over them or something.

 

But back to video, how does conservative, and react when others move, get you to dominate in the cinema world??

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I wonder which part of the "plan" was to lose both their pro/ama video film market to Black Magic?

Exactly. Instead of worrying about internal market segmentation and this and that they should've charged ahead. I started getting on them years ago because I saw where they were headed from how they were talking and acting and what stuff they had and were either sitting on or not deciding to improve yet and got called a troll, but now we see a bit that their short term margins and safety lead to loss of perhaps much larger sales in the long run. Sure they are surviving overall fine, but....

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Poor Andrew, he gets so much shite for being a Canon hater, when deep down he really wanted to love the 5D3 for video. He's going all out, trying to save the 5D line from the evil engineers at Canon.

 

It's like watching someone perform CPR even though they know the patient is already dead.

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They hold back so much because they don't want to kill the camcorder market, it's bad enough the 7d and 5d took the event videography market from the camcorders, now if they give crisps video with ultra high dynamic range from the 5d's then who will buy those 4000-5000 euro canon xf300/305.

Blackmagic is proof of what can be done if it is desired.

I doubt we will see 2k from the 5d's, they need processing power and it's not there.

What can be done is more dynamic range and less compression.

Man are the days of camcorders numbered.

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