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Prototype Metabones Speed Booster equipped NEX 7 *VS* full frame (5D Mark III)

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I wonder if this adapter can be stacked with others for manual lenses?

 

For example:

NEX   --(metabones)-->   EF   --(simple)-->   FD

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I wonder why some of you are even here.

 

I some times wonder the same, but i like to think its just curiosity and nothing negative... at least I hope..

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I'm usually not a very positive guy (being from Finland and all) but this is just an awesome piece of invention. I always wondered why lenses on cropped sensors couldn't really be faster than f1.4 or why no one build them like that. I mean, you can make an f1.4 lens on a fullframe, why not the same lens as an f1.0 on a cropped sensor, because the only thing you need to do is tighten the output circle.

 

And here it is. Someone did it. Someone else than a lens manufacturer.

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I wonder if this adapter can be stacked with others for manual lenses?

 

For example:

NEX   --(metabones)-->   EF   --(simple)-->   FD

 

Yes, but not from EF to FD. The latter has a shorter register distance.

 

This all will work with a little piece of metal:

 

EF > Nikon F

EF > Leica R

EF > M42
EF > Olympus OM

EF > Pentax K

 

And more.. basically look at this list: http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/mounts-by-register.html

Everything that comes after Canon EOS you can use with an adapter on the EF mount.

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If black magic made an e-mount version of the bmcc, then this very adapter would make it essentially a super 35mm camera.   As the crop factor of the bmcc compared to super 35 is 1.6

 

 

They already make a M4/3 version and this adapter will be available soon for that mount.  It'll make the BMCC 7D sized almost exactly.

 

They're only talking about the same squeeze factor right now for the various mounts but hopefully they'll expand on this so that ultimately you can pick a size that hits as close as possible to the full 36mm being represented on your smaller aperture sensor.

 

As excited as I am to get one of these for my GH2 I'm also excited to see the first RED or Alexa feature eventually shot with one.

 

Ive just worked it out.  with a full frame to mft it will make the bmcc APS-H.   Metabones will squeeze the full frame image to the full image circle of micro four thirds which is utilised by the gh2 in its 16:9 mode.  And the crop factor between bmcc and gh2 16:9 is 1.205.  The crop factor between full frame and aps-h is 1.254.   Hopefully you're right that they will make different "squeeze" options.

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They won't make different magnification factors, read the white paper. Everything will be 0,71x. So on the BMCC you'll get a 1,6x crop.

 

By the way, the metabones website now lists different prices. $399 for Leica R to Fujifilm X or Sony NEX.

I'd be more interested in Nikon F or dumb Canon EOS (easier to adapt other lenses) for the same price though.

 

On Facebook I asked when the M43 version is expected, they replied 'hopefully this year'... I hear march a lot, but what is the source of that?

 

Btw.. I just thought of another advantage to the Speed Booster: It'll be easer to do a quick 'switch' of lenses with anamorphic, without the need to realign the anamorphic lens or remove the clamp. Just add or remove the Booster to switch between standard/wide if you're working with a 50mm :)

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Hi Andrew, how do you find the autofocus on the adapter? Is it worse, same, or better than the Panasonic 20mm f1.7? Do you think the adapter will work as well optically when using front adapters say a passive pentax adapter placed on the front of the EOS NEX Speed Booster?

 

Cheers.

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Btw.. I just thought of another advantage to the Speed Booster: It'll be easer to do a quick 'switch' of lenses with anamorphic, without the need to realign the anamorphic lens or remove the clamp. Just add or remove the Booster to switch between standard/wide if you're working with a 50mm :)

 

Genius ! I have been doing this with my taking lens permanently attached to anamorphic and just remove the set from the GH2. Of course I had to buy extra aspherical lenses for non- anamorphic shots.

Your idea is going to save me bundle when the BMCC-mft comes out. Additionally instead of 35mm aspherical w can shoot through all those fast and beautiful 50mm and 80mm.

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Thanks for this report Andrew.

 

If this product plays out as I think it will, relevancy of full-frame will definitely be compromised.

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This is not the dead of full frame. Metabones aren´t cheap. The EF to Nex adapter cost about 500usd. How much this one would cost? 700?
1000 USD camera + 700 adapter cost almost a full frame one...  (If you buy a 5d mkii is the same price...)
 
But the adapter is a huge step if you have some good full frame lens and want a new small body (to travel, etc...)

 

Metabones is not that expensive.  The Speed booster is $400 in adapters without electronics, and $600 with electronics (EF needs electronics to change aperture).

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It is definitely cheap for what it is. Caldwell's other optics are not this cheap to say the least.

 

Yes it is right to say the relevancy of full frame is compromised, in the video world at least. The AF is rather slow on the Metabones adpater but we don't use that in the filmmaking world. What I wanted was the look.

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They won't make different magnification factors, read the white paper. Everything will be 0,71x. So on the BMCC you'll get a 1,6x crop.

 

+1.  Not sure why this keeps coming up as Metabones has been clear that space limitations only allow 0.71x for all adaptors.  That means a 1.4x crop for m43.  This will limit how useful lenses can be on a m43 mount.

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Micro Four Thirds becoming Super 35mm is nothing to be sniffed at!

 

How many of us were calling for a Blackmagic Cinema Camera 2 with Super 35mm sized chip?

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Micro Four Thirds becoming Super 35mm is nothing to be sniffed at!

 

How many of us were calling for a Blackmagic Cinema Camera 2 with Super 35mm sized chip?

if anything i think a hacked gh2 or BMCC with same field of view as s35 and 1 stop of extra iso headroom before noise becomes a problem is more exciting than the benefits of a s35 chip becoming full frame.

 

What with the EF version of the BMCC I think it would be quite easy to remove the optical element (at the point where infinity focus tweeks are done) of a dumb speed booster and fit it into a small cone of machined aluminium which jams into the ef recess on the ef bmcc:) 

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I'm just blown away that this technology even exists. This is something that should just be built into all small sensor cameras right? I mean, wouldn't it be great if the Black magic cinema camera just had something like this built into the camera? Just before the lens mount? Why not?

 

 

I think for the mirrorless camera's the manufacturers wanted to keep things small.  They could have the metabones speed booster builtin, but then every lens would be big.  For example I have a gh2.  When I add my canon lenses on it, the combination gets big fast -- its not compact and "consumer friendly";  I think the manufactors miscalculated.  Take for example canon's current mirrorless cameras, a lot of people consider it as a "woman's camera" -- I think even canon thinks its a "woman's" camera; woman do not like to carry big cameras....  if this is so, why bother adding a "speed boster"?

 

Heck, if I am reading things correctly, you could create a "low light monster" camera by adapting medium format (or even large format) lenses to a small sensor.  But then the lenses would be a lot bigger and more expensive.  I bet you there is a market for this... but the manufacturers don't know about it yet.

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Metabones is not that expensive.  The Speed booster is $400 in adapters without electronics, and $600 with electronics (EF needs electronics to change aperture).

 

Exactly.  People regularly spend $1000 or more on a single lens that they might use half or a third of the time they shoot, if not less.  Forget what anamorphic enthusiasts shell out for their passions.  $400 or $600 or $700 for something like this, even if this is only a hobby?  Comparatively speaking they're giving us all a gift pricing specialized optics like this.  

 

Elsewhere people are defending a major corporation's justifiable douchebaggery in charging $6K for tweaks to a second model in a single product development.  Meh, the internet.

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if anything i think a hacked gh2 or BMCC with same field of view as s35 and 1 stop of extra iso headroom before noise becomes a problem is more exciting than the benefits of a s35 chip becoming full frame.

 

GH2 will be getting the same field of view as the 1DC shooting in 4K mode.  That's very exciting.

 

Where I'm excited for s35 stuff, like the bigger dog cameras, is it means we'll potentially be seeing a return of an aesthetic that doesn't exist in current motion pictures, in the theater.  Outside the occasional indie shot on a 5D, like Rubber perhaps, the cool, small-format, experimental stuff is going to be limited mostly to online and festival venues.  

 

Applying this technology to the likes of a Genesis or Alexa or RED means we could see a new era of epic aesthetics show up in the next mega-million tent pole picture (that odds are would have been made in pedantic S35 spherical otherwise, unless it was from one of the few filmmakers still out there with enough interest and enough pull to insist on anamorphic).  

 

There's only a few directors, like Nolan or PT Anderson maybe, willing to dust off one of those Smart Car sized large format film cameras to shoot in 65mm or 8-perf 35mm.  Something like this means digital for big budgets could finally aspire to something beyond just mimicking or replacing the most generic, least quality 35mm format that's been employed for major motion pictures since the introduction of color nearly, and without major new investment either.  Everybody wins.

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Great news! But now I wonder...could you get the same effect by modding an EF Extender to go on the wrong way round?? (for my BMCC, whenever it arrives)

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Hi all, I pre-ordered the adapter and just got it in today. I am planning to do a thorough review of it soon, but for now I've just been messing around with it. As far as I can tell, there is no loss in sharpness or light blooming or any of the other weird effects that adapters with built optics often have. I'm not sure if it makes lens necessarily better, but I don't think it makes them any worse. It really is like having a full frame camera.

 

The speed boost really works too. It feels kind of subtle from F1.4 to F2 but it's really obvious at F4 and slower.

 

There is one caveat and it's potentially major and that it doesn't seem to focus quite to infinity. It's almost there but it's just a little soft.  I think focusing in general is thrown off a bit as compared to the focus marks on the lens. Like, it might focus a little closer than normal. However, I could be wrong and it might focus to infinity. I haven't done the proper tests to confirm this. 

 

All in all, this looks like the real deal. And it's really not that heavy to address that one dude who was saying something about it being 197 grams or whatever it weighs.

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I'm jealous! :) Love to see footage! What camera and lenses are you working with?

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terrykim

 

Here is a link to calibrating for infinity

 

http://www.metabones.com/smart-adapter-operation-manual/155-infinity-adjustment-speed-booster-only

 

Any chance you could try adapters on the front of the speed booster, like a nikon/pentax adapter etc? Any one know if using adapters on the front of the speed booster causes any problems? Could you describe how well the autofocus works? Cheers.

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terrykim

 

Here is a link to calibrating for infinity

 

http://www.metabones.com/smart-adapter-operation-manual/155-infinity-adjustment-speed-booster-only

 

Any chance you could try adapters on the front of the speed booster, like a nikon/pentax adapter etc? Any one know if using adapters on the front of the speed booster causes any problems? Could you describe how well the autofocus works? Cheers.

 

 

 

since many people use flat 'disk' type adaptors with canon cameras for OM, c/y, m42, etc lenses there wont be any problem using them with this adaptor too.  just think of a nex7 + speed booster as a 5dmk2.  if it works with the 5dmk2 it'll work with nex+ speed booster

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What about if there was an Alpa to FD adapter and Alpa to EOS version etc. Do you think they would work? It would save buying lots of speed boosters.

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looks like this little adaptor has not only upset the mega corp apple cart.
it has lifted the cart off the ground and slammed it into a brick house marked shithouse.
as they down on the farm
fuck a duck...

metabones disorder
i bet canon are working on a metabones buyout plan.

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metabones disorder
i bet canon are working on a metabones buyout plan.

 

I was thinking about this as well, either a buyout then bury or someone burying them in a lawsuit either over patent or some other anti-competition nonsense.  It makes me want to get ahold of one of the first M4/3 models released, regardless of lens version, if Nikkor isn't one of the first, just in case the ninja lawyers get sent in since they won't be able to recall stock that's already shipped.

 

Anyone remember the Andromeda system?  4:4:4 uncompressed straight out a USB2.0 port on a DVX100 with pixel-shift upscale to HD? Yeah, that got disappeared many, many moons ago.

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