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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:00 AM

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http://www.43rumors....-new-ag-af100a/
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Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:08 AM

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18Mps, 1080p recording? There must be some mistake.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:13 AM

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What a bunch of crap. Again they dismiss adding AVC-Intra. The whole PCMCIA protocol to add micro SDXC or SDHC P2 for their future ideal workflow is just a redundant interface. 10-bit 4:2:2 50mbs at the very least. Really disapointing considering the cutting edge news from Red about pricing. It's obvious broadcast and wedding themes are more priority to them. They need not bother marketing it as a solution for filmmaking. sigh, I don't know...

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:54 PM

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so this is the camera the gh3 was not supposed to compete with...

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:25 PM

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Interview with Yoshiyuki Inoue:

EOSHD: May I ask about the sensor size of the AF100?
Inoue: Ah professional camera. Firstly, that camera once was popular, but at this time not as popular.
EOSHD: OK, because the GH3, in some ways is better now. I’d like to see a 35mm version of the AF100.
Inoue: The AF100 is another division, we are focussed on the consumer DSC. We are completely seperate.

separate, well...

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:20 PM

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Oh my god... I actually feel sorry for Panasonic right now. I have a feeling that they knew they needed to bring new products to market but didn't have any money to develop it properly. So, some engineer says, "Hey we have all these AF100 bodies laying around because no one bought them. Maybe we can just put in a new CPU and some software in them and call it new right?! At least someone might buy them now instead of them just sitting here in the factory!"

I really wonder what's going on at Panasonic? I have a feeling the GH3 development sucked a lot of money out of the over-all development budgets for a lot of other divisions. I'm really worried that they are in a nose dive with no way to pull up!

It's just so sad.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:26 PM

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Come on guys, it's not that bad and we know nothing about the sensor.

What if it is outputting a nice, sharp, 12+ DR, lowlight, 60p, 10bit 4:2:2 with a flat, log style? All you need is a hyperdeck and you have a camera that is (potentially) better than a C300 and maybe an F3. Don't forget the NDs, XLRs, waveforms etc.

For, what, $5k with deck and SSD?

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:02 PM

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Pro division makes a camera only comparable to what consumer division did.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:26 PM

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I'm thinking this is now the Panasonic C100, lol..

So the codec is good... Hyperdeck's are realistic for most of us, & 10bit 4:2:2 is great:) I agree on @screenpro's comment above in terms of potential... For me personally, i love shooting log style with plenty of room to shoot in. The highlights always drove me nuts with the Gh2 and the af100.. You always have at least one issue that falls short where everythig else is awesome. Gh2 with a hack: high bitrate, no moire, killer video, 2 stops of latitude, lol. Af100: xlr, bigger design, 1080p 60p, low bitrate. I love Cinestyle on the Canons, or Cine visionplus, picture styles.. But we all know where the Canons fall short.. It'd be nice just to get some dynamic range, & a log profile to go with the clean out on this thing for a reasonable price.. I think next year is the big one for Panny. Whatever they have coming regarding a cinema line may be best left to unfold after all of these announcements this year.. Sucks waiting, but now the cards are on the table. Maybe now they're busting out some major development tweaks in response... Could be in our favor?

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 05:41 PM

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Maybe you're right. I truly hope so.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:16 PM

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This camera doesn't seem built from scratch rather a very mild update, hence it is not an AF200.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:06 AM

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Come on guys, it's not that bad and we know nothing about the sensor.

What if it is outputting a nice, sharp, 12+ DR, lowlight, 60p, 10bit 4:2:2 with a flat, log style? All you need is a hyperdeck and you have a camera that is (potentially) better than a C300 and maybe an F3. Don't forget the NDs, XLRs, waveforms etc.

For, what, $5k with deck and SSD?


My point is about interface for hardware. Panasonic did great introducing solid state format hence P2. Which records 100mbs with whatever data rate they choose to market. one of the main reasons the GH2 and GH1 got hype was its hack that supposedly records data more efficient for semi grading all on practical consumer based SDHC. Canon was rocking the MPEG format at 50mbs for a while. JVC seems to have a MOV priority for 36mbs on their pro cams. Sony too at 50mbs with their new trend at 50mbs. DSLR's have set the trend of H.264 or AVCHD 2.0 at a max 28mbs. So why does this cam have to suffer a lousy internal codec for a non breakthrough AG-AF series. This thing will probably ring at $6k and then I have to rely on a a separate deck as usual to get a hyped uncompressed stream? All I'm saying is that they should've implemented AVC-Intra into this cam. They blatantly have the technology. Seems like they just want to sell more of their decks and hype 10-bit 4:2:2 externally when AVC-Intra is already that spec even with their old AG-HPX300
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:48 AM

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This camera doesn't seem built from scratch rather a very mild update, hence it is not an AF200.


I wanted to create a headline in FilmMan's style. Old Panasonic MFT camcorder - hastily overhauled! would have sounded lame ;)

But seriously: My friend is a freelancer using the 5D and an EX-3. He had the opportunity to shoot with the AF101, and he was as well impressed with the handling as with the quality of the video. Perhaps this article is something to consider:
http://marvelsfilm.w...eryone-moaning/
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:07 AM

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The problem with this camera is the sensor which only resolved about 630 lines and didnt handle highlights and dynamic range that well. Its great they added 10 bit 4.2.2 out and probably a firmware upgrade and not any changes to the camera itself. Maybe they are just getting rid of to much old stock and then ditching it.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 03:18 PM

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According to a couple french websites (thanks to digitalmaster for the links) this camera costs tax not included.....
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5'295 usd

LOL this must be a bad joke. The french blogs must have messed up now way it is that expensive.

sources posted by digital master:
http://www.magazinev...om/news-628.htm
http://www.focus-num...-news-3734.html

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:22 PM

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According to a couple french websites (thanks to digitalmaster for the links) this camera costs tax not included.....
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5'295 usd

LOL this must be a bad joke. The french blogs must have messed up now way it is that expensive.

sources posted by digital master:
http://www.magazinev...om/news-628.htm
http://www.focus-num...-news-3734.html


I am so confused by this "offering". How has Panasonic been conducting their market research lately? Why don't they read the forums?

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:27 PM

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I am so confused by this "offering". How has Panasonic been conducting their market research lately? Why don't they read the forums?


I'd wait for confirmation in case there was one bad information that got carried on the various french blogs.
With tax it adds up to what around 6k? Seems overly expensive...we should wait for other sources to confirm this

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:31 PM

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Maybe they're learning their pricing tactics from Canon? :D

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:47 PM

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The problem with this camera is the sensor which only resolved about 630 lines and didnt handle highlights and dynamic range that well. Its great they added 10 bit 4.2.2 out and probably a firmware upgrade and not any changes to the camera itself. Maybe they are just getting rid of to much old stock and then ditching it.


Amen... We get a really clean turd. Lol
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 01:40 PM

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Just got the press release.
€4.150 excluding taxes in Europe.




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